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Fixed that for you babe <3 Lets wait for 16 teams

Team Composer Spreadsheet, i made it for the last tournament and have just updated it for this one. Feel free to use it! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B7F_X-dWMsIjrGhbTZn0YmO8R1hTIzFeBERxQ0dQQE4/edit#gid=0

Honestly, i can't be bothered going into detail about this. This discussion has been had hundreds of times by now... In short, due to the huge disrepancy between OW Speed and Battle Speed the only thing close to realistic is "What you see is what you get" Rules of Engagement. The distance you can sail in 2 minutes on the OW is 10x times higher than what you can do in battle. (I don't know if its 10x, 5x or 200x. All i know is there is a huge difference). Let me find my favorite quotes when it comes to this topic.

How is Never Closing Battle Instances realistic in any way? The "What you see is what you get RoE" is the closest you get to a realistic scenario with the way the game is designed.

There already is a short reconnect timer. I believe the reconnect timer is 5 minutes long.

A tough question in my opinion. I'd probably "judge" clans based on "Combat Prowess" just like i do with RvR clans. To be clear, Combat Prowess in my opinion is only shown in equal fights (Or Outnumbered). I can think of a few clans that definitely deserve a nomination. (In no particular order) - "X" Clan. - DAS. - EXILE. - PODW. - RAKER. They have shown several times that they got the skill to win equal fights as well as outnumbered. Other clans have done the same no doubt, but in most clans its just a select few players that have the skill to do so. With the 3 i mention it is the majority of their players, individually as well as combined. And one cannot really judge clans without having fought them or seen them fight on several occasions i think, so to all the other clans that might think themselves worthy of the title, i'm sorry! PS, Thanks Cmdr, i somehow forgot about PODW. I've had a few encounters with them and i've heard a good amount of stories about them. They deserve a spot on my list as well. PS PS, Thanks Liq, its been so long that i forgot to get the RAKERs on my list. They were truly a pain in the early days of OW.

Right, i forgot that the 100's of 25v25s between SLRN, RUS and DAS only exist in my head... You and SORRY wasn't present in the time i speak of, before Early Access. I know its hard to imagine that there was a game before you and SORRY arrived in the game. SORRY was an "empty port battle machine". 90% of your Port Battles were uncontested. What an achievement! I clap my hands and bow before the oh so mighty Lord. I'm not trying to convince anyone. If you actually care to read the things i've posted here you'd understand that i judge clans based on their Combat Prowess and not on "How many empty ports they can conquer". And unfortunately SORRY fought only a small amount of 25v25's and most of those were against disorganized teams made up from a bunch of different clans. You yourself have actually said that "A team of 1 clan will always win against a team made from 7 different clans" (Something along those lines) which makes you small victories against those types of teams, rather insignificant. DAS, SLRN and RUS fought 100's of 25v25's gaining proper combat experience every single time. That is why, in my mind, they were the "best RvR clans". Your "training" against AI is nothing compared to the combat experience DAS, SLRN and RUS had at the point of time i talk about. Your economy was nice, no doubt, but not better than that of SLRN, RUS and DAS at the point of time i talk about. Your leadership was mediocre, sure you gathered a lot of people but guess what? DAS and SLRN gathered just as many people as SORRY at the point of time i talk about. They had focused goals, being the best at 25v25's and having fun at the same time. Guess what? I'm pretty sure they did. Your delusion of grandeur and your narcissism is like a blindfold. You only see what you think is important and anyone with a different opinion must be retarded. I have complimented SORRY for what they have done several times, but in my eyes the Combat Prowess of DAS/SLRN/RUS outweighs that. This is my opinion based on everything i have seen since the first day of OW. Like it or not, it does not matter.

I'll say it again. The time i speak of was before the very existence of SORRY.. Before you started playing NA even.

Once upon a time, in an era long gone, OW PvP was the main focus of the game and RvR a secondary focus. Those were the days of true glory and honor. Those were the days where there was room for all kinds of players (Solo, Small group, medium group, large group). Alas, those were the days.. Those days are long gone and the game has since then turned its focus on 2 things; RvR and time consuming crafting. Today, these days, the solo PvP'er and all those who enjoy OW PvP are told to "wait for Legends". And while that might be what some are looking for, a lot of the OW PvP'ers in NA don't want Legends. They want NA OW PvP, because it is unique in its own way, NA OW PvP is not just a copy of some Arena type game. The thrill of sailing through the OW never knowing if you will encounter a lone trade, a lone frigate, a small group of frigates, a lone Man of War or a whole fleet of them. You never know if you must hunt, fight, or flee. The OW PvP'ers might settle for Legends but really, it is not what most of them want... They want these days, to become those days again. I and many others still hope that some day, we will return to those days.

Depends how one chooses to rate the "best RvR clan". To me its combat prowess that is the main factor and there i've seen much better clans than SORRY. But alas, SORRY never got to fight against other Port Battle fleets who had the experience that DAS, SLRN and RUS had back in the day. Therefore i can't possibly say whether or not SORRY actually were better in combat than the 3 i mention. I can suspect that SORRY was better (Or worse) but i judge based on what i've seen and what i haven't seen, therefore i'd declare DAS/SLRN/RUS the "best". Again, this is based on the way i look at it. Many others will think of "Best RvR clan" as something different than i do.

@Lord Vicious Ofcourse you only remember the time when you played Naval Action. The time i talk of was before you joined the game, if you want, you can keep living in your own little world where nothing that happened before SORRY's creation matter. Or you can open your eyes and realize that there was a time before SORRY. As for you beating TDA. Congratulations! TDA always was an OW PvP clan, the RvR we did back then was empty port battles. So no, we had in fact no experience when it comes to 25v25 battles. SORRY did good, and SORRY might have been the best 25v25 Fighters, unfortunately you never got to fight against SLRN, RUS or DAS when those clans were ruling the seven seas with their "Port Battle" fleets. SORRY never proved their worth compared to SLRN, RUS or DAS. SLRN, RUS and DAS fought hundreds of 25v25's against each other, learning more and more from every fight and becoming better and better by doing so. The few 25v25's you had were against clans with no experience in 25v25's and this is why i don't think SORRY deserves to be called "The best RvR clan". I'll happily admit i'm not a good RvR player, never was and never will be because it doesn't interest me. However i can certainly tell you who i'd call the "Best RvR clans in NA's history". @Konali89 Definitely Konali, it is almost impossible to compare the clans of old with the clans of new. To me, i look at the combat prowess as the main factor and then the "achievements" as the secondary factor, and to me there is no doubt here. DAS, SLRN and RUS all 3 deserves the title. Other clans have done great as well, but their combat prowess will never come close to those 3 when they were in their "prime" so to speak.

Steel and Konali being the Admirals as far as i recall. (Don't hold me to that statement, its a long time ago)

And this is my point exactly. The newer RvR clans paint a cowardly picture of RvR, their skill lies more in avoiding the fight than in fighting the fights. To me that isn't proper RvR and does not constitute "Being the best RvR clan in NA History". Especially not when one takes into consideration that the clans of Old held equal amounts of territory as the new clan. RvR has changed however, NA has changed, long ago NA entered a new era, the era where RvR is all about war of attrition, trickery and avoiding the enemy. A dull, boring and disappointing era in my opinion. Yes, i do indeed speak of the old SLRN. The veterans of NA will remember what "era" i speak of when i mention SLRN, DAS and RUS. The early days of OW is what i speak of. Again, people that weren't present back then will have a hard time understanding why clans like BLACK and SORRY would never be able to compete with the old port battle fleets. However it is obvious to those that were around. I think there is a few youtube videos of DAS vs SLRN, DAS vs RUS and SLRN vs RUS. However i'm not sure.

From the screenshots i've seen of the Port Battles BLACK has participated in, its the exact same kind of Port Battles as SORRY participated in. Most of the Port Battles BLACK either have advantage in numbers or the enemy team is formed from 12 different clans and disorganized. Neither SORRY nor BLACK have fought the true Port Battle fleets of old. Those died out before SORRY/BLACK were formed. BLACK could certainly be the "best" current RvR clan. However the best RvR clans in history is, without a doubt (Having seen both the new and the old RvR clans fight) DAS, SLRN and RUS. Now, i'm not saying BLACK isn't good, i'm not saying SORRY weren't good. What i am saying is that DAS, SLRN and RUS all fought 100's of Port Battles/25v25 battles each, against each other. All gaining experience and continously improving their tactics, communications and skill. They only fought equally organized teams and they did it all the time. The old clans simply put, had way more experience fighting well organized teams in equal fights. All this said, BLACK/SORRY could very well be/have been just as good in combat as those clans. However you haven't had, and might never have, the opportunity to prove that because of the changes made to the game since then. (1 Dura ships, no capturable AI, Expensive crafting etc etc.)

The problem i have with SORRY is that they never really proved their worth against an equally organized clan. Sure, they conquered big parts of the map but 80% of the Port Battles were empty and 15% were against disorganized teams made up from several different clans. SLRN, DAS and RUS conquered just about the same portions of the map as SORRY did, but most of, if not all, their Port Battles were against highly skilled and very experienced Port Battle fleets made up from other organized clans. (Mainly each other).

If we are talking since the beginning of OW. There is only 3 clans i can think of that really earned a nomination. SLRN, RUS, and DAS. (Not in a particular order). Why would i say one of the 3? Its simple really. In their "Prime" so to speak they did about 2-5 "Port Battles" (25v25 SoL Fights) a day. They fought like hell and a ton of different tactics were tried. This went on for something like 4-6 months. All 3 clans managed to capture large amounts of the map (Equal to the amounts that newer RvR clans such as SORRY managed.) The difference being that SLRN, RUS and DAS fought hundreds of 25v25 SoL Battles against each other, each battle they became better and better. Truly battle hardened Port Battle fleets. The newer RvR clans however haven't fought a whole lot of 25v25 SoL Battles, and the ones they have fought have usually been against inexperienced, disorganized teams made up of several different clans. @manuva85 @Snoopy @freddykrueger66 @BABAY @SteelSandwich @Capt Bubbles @Konali89

I read the forums as much as you. My opinion is formed based on what i've seen posted by BLACK and about BLACK. PS, i have indeed sailed against BLACK on several occasions, but under a different name. First you imply that Christendom, Skully and Hodo haven't contributed to the community/forums and that they aren't willing to try/test new things. Then you deny ever doing so, even though its right there, black on white. Now you actually explain what you meant instead of doing so after my first comment. National News have, ever since day 1, been a place for everything that should not be on the main forums. Propaganda, trolling and the like is meant to be here because if it isn't then people will use the main forums for this stuff and we don't want that. I enjoy reading National News (Trolling, Propaganda and whatever else it might contain), some people don't. Now, i thank you for explaining exactly what you meant. Clearly you did not mean that Skully, Hodo and Christendom haven't contributed to the game/forums, so while you wrote something implying that, it was not your intention. Indirectly i see that as an apology and to me that is good enough. Don't get me wrong, i don't care if you choose to put someone on ignore. However i will ofcourse valuable members of the community. (Just to be clear, if someone implied that you don't contribute to the game/forums i would defend you as well.) - Yeah, we have our differences. So do Christendom, Hodo, Wraith, Skully and myself. However i would defend you all against unreasonable/unfounded "insults". (I don't mean to use the word insult here but i can't think of another word, i hope you know what i mean.) You are definitely right. There has to be a line. I'm not the one to decide where that line shall be drawn however.

It certainly isn't meant as trolling. So i'm sorry if it comes across to you like that.

National News is and always has been the place for trolling. If someone trolls here it doesn't mean they don't make valuable and constructive posts on the main part of the forum. If you can't handle people trolling here then don't read national news. Its that simple. And please, please don't talk about others making people leave the game when BLACK, your clan, has made even more players leave. (Don't even try to deny it, we all know it.) In National News? Yeah, once more. This is the place for trolling. Don't like it don't read it. Denying that you were implying that the people in mention have not/is not contributing and isn't willing to try/test new things is ridiculous. Again, no point denying that your comment implied that. If you did not mean it like that, or you worded your comment wrongly, man up and admit it. It isn't harder than that.

You guys make just as many troll statements. So does this mean, that following your logic, we should all have you on ignore as well? Don't get me wrong, you and Koltes have made plenty good posts as well. But you've also made a lot of troll posts.

It is not selective reading mate. You wrote "At least he has contributed lots and is always willing to try and test new things." (About Wraith.) That hints/Implies that you don't think any of the other have contributed and are willing to try/test new things. That is what i reacted to. If you didn't mean it like that, just come out and say it instead of trying to make it seem like i'm the idiot here. I don't care if Hodo has trolled you or not. It does not mean he hasn't contributed and aren't willing to try/test new things. I don't even care if you have people on ignore. But trying to make valuable members of the community look bad by implying that they don't contribute and that they aren't willing to test stuff is below you i think.

Never heard of Slim Jimmerson but i can tell you one thing. Both Wraith, Christendom, Hodo and Skully have contributed a shitton to the game and the forums. You may not like them much but that doesn't make their opinions and suggestions to the game any less valuable. Alluding that they haven't contributed lots and aren't willing to try/test new things is ridiculous. They have at the very least contributed as much as you, and probably more to be honest. And yes, they are against certain proposals/suggestions, but to my knowledge they have always tested the changes made to the game.

Because i don't see how it helps Solo/Small groups? Perhaps i misunderstand and you could try to rephrase it? (Ya know, English ain't my first language, i could be misunderstanding what you mean.) Or perhaps i just don't see it or maybe i just straight up disagrees that it will help Solo/Small groups?

Which part of this is brilliant and how does it help Solo/Small groups?