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Haratik

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  1. Yup, and the Dutch get a ship, finally, hopefully that will be the end of that. I'm satisfied.
  2. three new third rates, that will shake up end game play a bit, no?
  3. You're complaining about the lack of ingame Danish ships. There's one coming in. As far as how many ships ingame belong to a particular nation, I can understand that particular frustration and all I can tell you on that end is those were decisions by both the developers and the forum community. Sorry! Real navy ships...
  4. As I told you in another thread, the Danes have a ship incoming, but as is often stated with ships in development in this game, they're coming "Soon™", which means nobody knows when it's coming, just that it is confirmed to be available to the players at some point.
  5. how does what happen ingame affect picking a ship on the forums? I fail to see the logic?
  6. So...a blend of Sid Meier's Pirates! mechanics and PotBS RvR?
  7. I've always enjoyed the challenge solo NPCs offer to players in this game. It's a quality experience in learning how to sail your ship effectively. Get good enough at it and the AI become predictable to the point where they're easy to handle each and every time.
  8. Maybe spamming staff mentions will wake up a sleeping bear?
  9. @Barberouge Thread is pretty dead, final results anytime soon?
  10. Nothing has been finalized yet. Poll is still open and staff have yet to call final results. Also, sometime soon = sometime next year, probably summer or fall, seeing as how other ships that have been voted in in previous polls still aren't out yet.
  11. Alright, let's get a brief summary on both ships. USS Constitution: Emerged on the international scene with the capture of HMS Guerriere, in which her construction and the account of the battle gave her her name (Old Ironsides) for the ages, she first saw combat more than a decade before the War of 1812 during the Quasi -War with France, then participated in the First Barbary War. While her claim to fame is the battle with HMS Guerriere, she also captured the HMS Java and many other prizes leading up to and after the event. She also sailed to the Paris Exposition in 1878, forced to stay over for the rest of the year after colliding with the former ship of the line Ville de Paris while docking in Le Havre. She is also the only ship of her period, to my knowledge, that can still sail under her own power, a claim to fame that even Victory cannot match. That's two claims to fame for a single ship, I believe. Now let's list her combat record: Victories/Prizes Claimed (in order of timeline): Quasi-War: 24 gun Niger (was eventually released as she was captured under questionable circumstances) Spencer (merchantman captured from the British by the French; released after a day) Neutrality (American sloop recovered after capture from the French) Carteret (French ship of unknown size) Amelia (French prize ship) Sally (French sloop) Sandwich (French privateer, returned to France at a later date) First Barbary War: 2 unnamed Greek grain merchants bound for Tripoli Xebec of Tripoline origin plus two prize vessels War of 1812: 3 merchantmen HMS Guerriere (38 gun frigate) HMS Java (38 gun frigate) 5 merchantmen HMS Pictou (14 gun vessel) Lord Nelson (merchantman) Susanna (merchantman) HMS Cyane (22 gun sixth rate) HMS Levant (20 gun sixth rate, later recaptured by the British) Now I don't know about you, but I believe that's more than a single battle for Old Ironsides to be recognized for what she is. A solid combat record and still able, long after ships of her type were expected to be in service, to be able to sail under her own power. Just a bit of history for you. I'm not going to wax as poetic on Victory, but I'll refer to the battles she participated before Trafalgar, as well as her length of service. She may have been made famous by the man who commanded her during Trafalgar, but as a first rated vessel in British service, Victory saw combat in the same year she was commissioned (1778), her last battle being in 1805 (Trafalgar). She participated in both the First and Second Battle of Ushant, the Siege of Gibraltar, the Battle of Cape St. Vincent, and finally Trafalgar. A number of well known British admirals other than Nelson raised their flags aboard her as well. She also faced her general equals in rating more often than the Constitution did, weathering a greater weight of iron and hellfire on a number of occasions. Victory more so than the Constitution may have only one claim to fame, depending on how you look at it, but the Victory can also claim to have survived German bombing raids during World War II, something Constitution cannot. She was also damaged by a bomb dropped by the Luftwaffe in 1941. In comparison, the American line-ships, at least most of them, spent the majority of their time in ordinary or on the stocks. Very few saw service outside of American waters, and none of them ever fought their equals in battle. If their only claim to fame is sailing qualities, their staggering armament for their time (a much discussed topic that is spoken about with derision at times), and being able to serve outside of home waters, then so be it, but I cannot really get on board with any of the American ships of the line. If we were going off looks alone, I'd champion the America, the 1799 Proposal, Franklin, or the Independence.
  12. I can't recall which US line ship had columbiads, maybe Ohio? I know Vermont and Pennsylvania had shell guns, which are not an option. Like you I think one of the earlier 74s would be more realistic.
  13. My guess is he's read some very biased American literature, which I can believe because I used to think along similar lines. Only conjecture of course, he's yet to reply to my query about what books he's been reading to come to his conclusions.
  14. I'm curious what history books you're reading to come to this conclusion. I've clashed with maturin from time to time before over some things, but there's no denying the man's spent a LOT of time researching. He knows his stuff probably better than anyone here. That being said, I don't understand where you get "After the napoleonic wars, British naval power receded dramatically to the point when ww1 kicked off, it was barely an afterthought." and "getting their arse handed to them twice". The British Navy continued to be the world's foremost naval power until World War II. On top of that, we didn't exactly win the War of 1812. If anything, we lost that war. At best it was a stalemate. More action? Both times the British went to war with the Americans, they were forced at some point or another to spread their resources out to protect other parts of the Empire. The War of 1812 coincided with the Napoleonic Wars. Her resources were spread thin across various theaters. Bear in mind, the army that sacked Washington D.C. came over from the war in Europe. Those were Peninsular Campaign veterans. It was because of the end of the Napoleonic War that the British Navy was able to devote more of its navy to blockading our coastlines. I don't want to think about Wellington campaigning in the States. Maybe we could have won, maybe we would have lost. Best not to contemplate it.
  15. The only claim to fame the North Carolina has is as a symbol of projected American naval power in the Mediterranean and Pacific Squadrons. None of the American line ships saw any real combat, though at least one, the Independence, was involved in the conflict with the Barbary States and the War with Mexico. The first American ship of the line depends on what you view as American. If you include the Continental Navy, it was the USS America. If we're discussing the United States Navy, it was the USS Independence.
  16. That's a matter of opinion. The Danes themselves may not have been a threat, but their fleet was, which is Danish, which makes the Danes dangerous, if you follow me. The British came twice for the Danes. As if once wasn't enough. Another naval alliance like that of Spain and France leading up to Trafalgar would have put the British in a bad position. Even if the British could have had a favorable outlook, there was the Russian Imperial Fleet to contend with as well. All three navies combined, not to mention the death of Britain's greatest admiral at Trafalgar, could have had dire consequences for the Brits in the war. That's a lot of what ifs though. My end point is, if the British saw fit to take them out of the war, they were a threat. Period. As for the only navies that mattered, I believe the Portuguese would like a word with you. The Royal Navy may have handled much of the workload, but Portugal supplemented the British navy in the Channel and Mediterranean throughout much of this portion of the period. Sidenote: This is getting far off-topic. Let's agree to disagree on our separate points of view and get back on track and talk about American ships, yeah?
  17. There's one in development that I know of, maybe two, but when they're due to be ingame is anybody's guess. That didn't occur until the latter stages of the Napoleonic Wars though, so technically they were a power until then. Enough for the Royal Navy to deem them a threat.
  18. She looks like a bathtub, none of the classic lineship lines. I'm fine with how the Constitution looks, but not as much as the North Carolina or Ohio. The only thing going for her is how she represented American naval power during her Mediterranean cruises. I'm a champion of American vessels, but I'm not blind either. The United States as an ingame nation is best represented by her privateers and frigates. If an American lineship got into the game, I'd be glad, but I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of it.
  19. It's not about screwing the Americans, but the armament really throws things out of whack, not to mention the American lineships are rather uninspiring. There's plenty of discussion about them in the shipyard. God forbid. See above.
  20. She's been suggested in the past, but the American line ships are highly debated as to whether they belong in the current game. I'm not a fan of any of the American lineships beyond the 1799 proposal and the USS America. @President John Henry Eden where did you get that plan for her? Nicely detailed.
  21. https://www.academia.edu/3258279/A_Plague_of_Ships_Spanish_Ships_and_Shipbuilding_in_the_Atlantic_Colonies_Sixteenth_and_Seventeenth_Centuries?auto=download Page 28 mentions some different tropical wood types that may not be in the game that could be proposed. Also a good read on Spanish shipbuilding in the New World. No reference to mesquite, sadly. These are the only mentions I could find of mesquite in shipbuilding in the New World: https://books.google.com/books?id=0c81QrgEovwC&pg=PA233&dq=spanish+shipbuilding+mesquite&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjM1tK1l_TXAhUg3YMKHfB3BmcQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=spanish shipbuilding mesquite&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=ewfAudJ_PX8C&pg=PA95&dq=spanish+shipbuilding+mesquite&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjM1tK1l_TXAhUg3YMKHfB3BmcQ6AEINzAD#v=onepage&q=spanish shipbuilding mesquite&f=false
  22. If there wasn't forests of the stuff immediately available, like say, the Baltic forests that a lot of European nations that had navies outsourced for, or say the American live oaks, or tropic woods the Spanish used, then there wasn't really a point in utilizing it for anything more than bits and pieces or decoration.
  23. It can grow quite tall given the right conditions (I live in the part of the USA where there's plentiful Mesquite), but you are correct, the only mentions I'm finding of it are in ship cabin furnishings. The Spanish had extensive shipbuilding facilities at Veracruz and Cuba. Cortez had a small fleet of brigantines supplementing his campaign against the Aztecs that were transplanted overland from the coast.
  24. Do you have a source for the Spanish utilizing mesquite in shipbuilding? I'm looking now and not finding very much, nor do I recall any such reference while looking into Spanish shipbuilding in the past. Edit: I see where you copied from Wikipedia, but I do not see a source link from the page, which makes the statement questionable.
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