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I would like to think our suggestions will Fill the gaps of ship types not currently present in the test.

 

Whilst I would love to see every variety of ship in game, I think we have to take into account that the Devs have limited time in order to achieve each model.

 

While we have only a combat testing system I don't see the urgency for the devs to work on En-Flute or cargo vessels at all, aside from placing them on a list of future projects. Yes we need merchantmen in the end game, but unless they produce a specific convoy/commerce raider scenario I don't really see the urgency.

 

We are missing a 2nd and 4th Rate.

We are missing the elegant 22 gun sloops.

We are missing Galleys and sailing ships with oar capability. (Gunboats, Brigs, Sloops, Frigates, Galleys)

We are missing Fore and aft rigged Frigates (Cacafuego. Apologies if my memory lends an incorrect spelling)

 

So I don't really have a preference on a particular named vessel, but would urge players to support 'Filling the gaps' as far as Ship Class missing from the game is concerned

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Big yes for that shooner! Big yes for more small ships!
I would like to see some sloop-of-wars, some fast, more manevur ships, with fancy look. :P I know we got already Yacht, Lynx etc. But comeone, most frigates were so expensive, that if someone owned a ship that big it was cause of being in Navy, or if private sector: he would buy it with 3 or 4 people, mostly some trade company owners.

So more smaller ships for private sector. :)

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Alternatively: Götheborg - Swedish East Indianman launched in Stockholm 1738. 30-gun, crew of 144

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_%28ship%29

Ghöteborg is nice, but my favorite ship of the one mentioned must be Öland. The story about that ship is quite interesting. 

 

Öland was escorting a Swedish convoy when it meet a English squadron ( 8 ship of the line and 1 frigate, toally 430 guns ) when it was passing thru the northern parts of the English channel.

 

The English forces started to attack Öland when it's captain ( Captain Psilander ) refused to lower the Swedish flag to salute the English one.( Swedish captains was ordered by King Karl XII to never lower their flag to anyone. )

 

The English ships fired two warning shots, but captain Psilander still refused, but instead fired back and the battle started.

After been under fire from the 9 English ships for more than 4 hours the Swedish ship had took damage and was unable to manouver. Captain Psilander refused to surrender but instead ordered that the flag would be raised in schau ( you tie the flag in such matter to tell other ships that your ship was in distress )  The English forces stopped the firing. They captured the ship and sailed the ship and it's crew to London for repairs and to stand trial ( the captain was sent to prision for one month)  where they had to stay for 3 months before they could sail home again. Sadly, the ship sunk on it's way home after running aground outside skagen in northern Denmark.

 

The outcome of the battle:

 

On the Swedish side, the Ship Öland was damaged, 16 crewmember died and 37 was wounded.

On the English side, 3 ships was damaged, 20 crewmember died and 80 was wounded.

 

The captain later became an admiral in the swedish fleet and got knighted by the king.  And later on he become Governor of the island Gotland to protect it from attacking russians with great success.

His coat of arms doesnt really need any explanation. Both the one he got when he was knighted and later on when he become a baron tells the story about the batte of orford ness.  A battle between 2 countries who was not at war with eachother. Honor was everything back then...

 

 

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The coat of arms of  Psilander. Please note the English banners on top.

 

 

The 50-gun Ship of the line Öland

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So i guess the lesson from this is, if you get ganked, give them hell! ;)

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Hi (yes, I'm still lurking around ;)),

 

I would (still) like this game to include a large choice in smaller ships, the true workhorses of the seas.

 

More specifically, I would love to see a nice brigantine; typically a bit smaller than a brig, but larger than a schooner. Brigantines where known for their versatility and good sailing characteristics, being able to sail very close to the wind (almost as close as a schooner).

 

So, my nomination for the Player selected ship 2015 listing (some of you will remember this one) is:

 

The brigantine Vilaine (1740)

 

 

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This brigantine was build as a packet boat and later converted to serve as a privateer. As a privateer she was armed with twelve French 6-pounders cannons and two Perriers à boîte (long barrelled, breach loading swivel guns).

 

The image shown here is drawn by me. I've been researching this particular vessel for some time now and I've slowly been working my way to a complete set of building plans. The sources are many, but I believe it is accurate for the period. The main sources for the hull lines are the droughts for several brigantines commissioned about the same time as the Vilaine (Dauphin, Lys and Marie Madeleine) on the west coast of France. The hull lines of those vessels match near enough.

 

The finer details on the sail plan, including mast and sail dimensions, running rigging is mostly from ship models in musea, that survive from those days. I've cross referenced those with the rougher details on paintings and schematics drawings in books. The image I've posted here shows (nearly) all the rigging used on a brigantine; more detailed rigging schematics.

 

Cheers,

Brigand

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Well at first Id say finish some kind of rough outlining of the ship classes.

 

We need a 4th rate: Ingelmann coming, we need a 2nd rate: under discussion.

And then we can start filling the gaps with more ships.

 

Another light frigate to fill in between the surp and trinco.

Maybe a Razee ship like the Indefatigable.

And yet a few smaller vessels like the Siobhán.

 

Also we may need some better/more mortar ships.  Ketches wich were build for that very reason.

 
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18th Century Algerian Xebec (Barbary Corsairs)

 

http://www.themodelshipwright.com/high-resolution-ship-plans/sailing-vessels/french-xebec-boberach-captured-from-algeria/

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Algerian xebec plan from Fredrik Henrik af Chapman’s Architectura Navalis Mercatoria (1768) 

 

Ships like these were a real factor in control of trade. The tactics used with and against them, I hope will be represented in the open world game. Great for hit and run opportunism, especially if you have a nearby friendly coastal battery to run to. If oars are implemented, huge benefit in light winds as well.

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Damn, I wanted to find some sloop-of-war to add to this topic, but I think my searching skills are too poor.

HMS Wolf 1759 it was a 10-gun sloop launched in 1754 and sold in 1781. In 1759 the sloop was part of the squadron of rear-admiral George Brydges Rodney and took part in the attack on Le Havre.

 

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