Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Regina Sardinian 50-gun(?) frigate (1829) Characteristics: Weight:1400 tonnes Lenght:50 meters Width:12(?) meters Draft:6(?) meters Armament:40 or 50x 20 or 40 pdr guns Source:http://duilioship.eu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10621/66/31%20fregata%20Regina.pdf?sequence=1 Any more info on her would be appreciated. Edited February 10, 2016 by Sella22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Unknown 18th century frigate Venetian High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_83 Edited January 5, 2016 by Sella22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Unknown Venetian 18th century frigate (titled as sail plan of a frigate) High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Unknown Venetian 18th century frigate High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_67 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Unknown Venetian 18th century frigate (titled as study of the lines of a frigate) High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_79_B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Unnamed Venetian first rate Late 17th to early 18th century High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010716&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010714&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010715&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010760&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010759&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010757&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010756&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana Edited January 5, 2016 by Sella22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 @That first rate: Whoa. A bit old for me, but... that is one heck of a ship. I also like that 64 (judging by the gun ports, though you call it a frigate) in the post above that of the 1st rate. Its design seems nicely streamlined, both literally and figuratively. It's decorated, but without going crazy on the decorations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Unnamed Venetian first rate 1730-1740 High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_76&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Uknown Venetian second rate 18th century High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_51&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU Need help translating the text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 You might never guess from my picture, but I would be very happy to have a Venetian faction in the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 Unknown Venetian (?) Xebec/Polacre (?) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Pig of the seas Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Amazing post mate, very nice! Unfortunately, I don't know about venetian routes in the Caribbean. Can you tell me about it? Have any articles? Would be great to see the Venetian flag added in the game, and some ships maybe, just to diversify the nations! Why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Amazing post mate, very nice! Unfortunately, I don't know about venetian routes in the Caribbean. Can you tell me about it? Have any articles? Would be great to see the Venetian flag added in the game, and some ships maybe, just to diversify the nations! Why not Thanks a lot mate!I just have to clarify that a lot of people were involved in this search Unfortunately i know nothing about it either!I haven't heard of venetians in the Caribbean.My guess is that they were mainly involved in trade in the Mediterranean. If you come across any articles i would love to read them as well That's what we are trying to do!Proposing ships that weren't made by the usual suspects and as you can see by yourself,most of my posts in the shipyard section are just like these Edited January 24, 2016 by Sella22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Pig of the seas Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Thanks a lot mate!I just have to clarify that a lot of people were involved in this search Unfortunately i know nothing about it either!I haven't heard of venetians in the Caribbean.My guess is that they were mainly involved in trade in the Mediterranean. If you come across any articles i would love to read them as well That's what we are trying to do!Proposing ships that weren't made by the usual suspects and as you can see by yourself,most of my posts in the shipyard section are just like these Yep I see! Would be interesting to see any articles about Ottoman ships, they used a nice vessels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Amazing post mate, very nice! Unfortunately, I don't know about venetian routes in the Caribbean. Can you tell me about it? Have any articles? Would be great to see the Venetian flag added in the game, and some ships maybe, just to diversify the nations! Why not Thanks a lot mate!I just have to clarify that a lot of people were involved in this search Unfortunately i know nothing about it either!I haven't heard of venetians in the Caribbean.My guess is that they were mainly involved in trade in the Mediterranean. If you come across any articles i would love to read them as well That's what we are trying to do!Proposing ships that weren't made by the usual suspects and as you can see by yourself,most of my posts in the shipyard section are just like these Venetian trade did extend all around Europe, there are plenty of ships designed for ocean voyages going back to the 1300s. The London and Antwerp voyages are fairly well documented while there is less on the voyages to the hansiatic ports there still a decent amount of information. Having had a quick look on the internet there seems to be a vague trend of trading glass to the Caribbean then taking back coffee and tobacco to the Italian ports but I haven't found any major articles about it worth reading, just snippets of things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Unknown Venetian "Primo Rango" First rate Could be the San Carlo Borromeo.Notice that lovely paint scheme. Or one of the two ships at the end of the list: http://www.veniceboats.com/it-progetti-piani-navi-grosse.htm https://youtu.be/1j5RcMuoED0?t=7m20s 7:20-7:38 Edited February 10, 2016 by Sella22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Unknown Venetian "Secondo Rango" Second Rate 18th century 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Unknown Venetian "Primo Rango" First rate Those Venetians had an odd way of rating their ships, compared to everyone else. Counting the gun ports, that "first rate" looks like a 64. Although, that's probably one of the biggest ships they built, so when you think about it that way... Edited February 10, 2016 by Arvenski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Those Venetians had an odd way of rating their ships, compared to everyone else. Counting the gun ports, that "first rate" looks like a 64. Although, that's probably one of the biggest ships they built, so when you think about it that way... Yeap they couldn't build larger ships because that meant bigger depth on the hull which wasnt an option for the mostly shallow waters of the mediterrenean(notice the flat bottoms on most of the plans).Also if i remember correctly ALL of the ships needed to be able to sail in the Arsenale di Venezia.So basically through this(the bridge was added at a much later stage): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_Arsenal Edited February 10, 2016 by Sella22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yeah, having to sail through that definitely looks like it'd restrict how big you wanted your ship to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Shallow draft ships are massively common in Venice more to do with the make up of the lagoon than the Mediterranean ports, the arsenal expansions with the deep dry docks for line ships did make it possible to build them there, but for the most part their bigger ships were built in private shipyards outside of Venice. Edited February 10, 2016 by Fluffy Fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 I would love to read more about that if you have any links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I only have academic books sorry, although I will throw anything your way if I find anything during my studies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yeah, having to sail through that definitely looks like it'd restrict how big you wanted your ship to be. Also there is a deep water entrance to the arsenal from the other side, that's just the land gate and the canal they used to outfit the galleys ready for sea using a stage process similar to a modern assembly line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yeah i wasn't really sure about that and it's a shame that i can't find where i read it from.What i also remember is that the Venetian had some limitations compared to other European powers regarding shipbuilding.It had something to do with the Arsenal.I'm not a 100% sure though.Any more info would be greatly appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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