Ned Loe Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Swan class ships The class was designed by the Surveyor of the Navy, John Williams, and two vessels to this design (Swan and Kingfisher) were ordered in January 1766. Twenty-three more were ordered to the same design between 1773 and 1779; they formed the 'standard' ship sloop design of the British Navy during the American Revolutionary War, during which eleven of them were lost. Surviving vessels went on to serve during the French Revolutionary War and Napoleonic War. The design provided for 16 gunports (8 per side, excluding the bridle-ports) but one pair was initially left unoccupied, and the ships were always rated at 14 guns. However an eighth pair of guns was added from 1780 onwards to utilise the vacant ports, without any change in the nominal rating. The Swan class sloops were unusually attractive for the type of vessel. Not only did they have sleek hull lines but they also carried an unusual amount of decoration for their size. They were built just before the Admiralty issued orders that all vessels (especially lesser rates and unrated vessels) should have minimal decoration and carvings to save on costs, due to the seemingly ever-continuing war with France and other nations. Following the initial 1766 order for two ships, a second pair was ordered in 1773 (Cygnet and Atalanta) and a further five in 1775 (Pegasus in April, Fly in August, and Swift, Dispatch and Fortune in October); all these were built in the Royal Dockyards. Another five were contracted in November 1775 to be built by commercial shipbuilders (Hound, Hornet, Vulture, Spy and Cormorant), and a further pair during 1776 (Zebraand Cameleon). Another two were ordered from the Royal Dockyards in January 1777 (Fairy and Nymph) and a final seven from commercial constructors over the following 30 months (Savage, Fury, Delight andThorn during 1777, Bonetta and Shark during 1778, and Alligator in 1779). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HMS Pegasus Building HMS Pegasus http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2877-hms-pegasus-by-nils-langemann-1776-1780-scale-164-16-gun-swan-class-sloop-from-amati-victory-models-plan/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HMS Vulture HMS Vulture was a 14 gun ship sloop of the Swan class, launched on 18 March 1776. She served during both the American Revolutionary War and the French Revolutionary War before being sold for disposal in 1802.Vulture is perhaps best known for being the warship to which Benedict Arnold fled on the Hudson River in 1780 after unsuccessfully trying to betray the Continental Army's fortress at West Point, New York to the British. HMS Vulture Build Log Resurrection http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/230-hms-vulture-by-dan-vadas-1776-148-scale-16-gun-swan-class-sloop-from-tffm-plans/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HMS Atlanta A photo Journal http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Atalantapart1.pdf http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Atalantapart2.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HMS Kingfisher HMS Kingfisher (also spelled King's Fisher or Kingsfisher) was the second ship in the 14-gun Swan class of ship sloops, to which design 25 vessels were built in the 1760s and 1770s. She was launched on 13 July 1770 at Chatham Dockyard, and completed there on 21 November 1770. She took part in the American Revolutionary War, enforcing the blockade of the Delaware Bay, and served in the Battle of Turtle Gut Inlet, near Cape May, New Jersey. While under the temporary command of Lieutenant Hugh Christian, she was burnt by her own crew to avoid capture on 7 August 1778 in Narragansett Bay during the Battle of Rhode Island.[1] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HMS Fly HMS Fly was a Swan class ship sloop of the Royal Navy and was launched on 14 September 1776. She performed mainly convoy escort duties during the French Revolutionary Wars, though she did capture three privateers. She foundered and was lost with all hands early in 1802. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unknown Swan type ship Info page: http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Models.html 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illusive Tabby Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 *throws money at screen* Please make these. Small ships are my preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balck Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Dang it Wind... We should let you put together the list of ships to vote on Thanks for these. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illusive Tabby Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 As long as Rattlesnake is in said list >.> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 its..its... A BABY FRIGATE! such beauties! I really like them and its a shame they are not in the poll gnarf.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYN_Bloody-Bandy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Very much with you there, love the idea of many many more small ships out on the seas. Larger ships of the line rarely left harbour, except for direct engagement, blockade, etc., so I sincerely hope players won't be cruising the 'world' in 1st or 2nd or... rate ships and conducting merchant trading or worse, exploring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illusive Tabby Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Very much with you there, love the idea of many many more small ships out on the seas. Larger ships of the line rarely left harbour, except for direct engagement, blockade, etc., so I sincerely hope players won't be cruising the 'world' in 1st or 2nd or... rate ships and conducting merchant trading or worse, exploring... I fully agree with this. Rates are great ships. Just...they are fleet battle ships and the occational harbor "fleet in being" ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 HMS Pegasus looks amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdguy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I do 3D models, but I wouldn't make a model unless I got a sailplan along with the hull line drawing. After those two pages the pictures of the models are nice for reference to see how the details look, but the hull lines and sailplan are the most important drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Those two links here provide insight to the modell-building progress. http://www.admiralty...alantapart1.pdf http://www.admiralty...alantapart2.pdf The second one especially is about rigging the ship. originally posted by Wind in his OP. If you consider one of those beauties for your modeling I think a lot of people here will freak out. (including me if im honest hehe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 HMS Pegasus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Those are some great looking ships. Kind of surprised the Slope-of-war and Corvette classes aren't really in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 its..its... A BABY FRIGATE! such beauties! I really like them and its a shame they are not in the poll gnarf.. and here is the baby of the baby frigate! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Pullings Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The Pegasus is a beauty. The Swan class has long been a favorite. Just lovely ships! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I love seeing compact frigates, this one is beautiful too. I hope it gets into the next poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 So I went onto Blender and did some training on this kind of ships.. The data available for these models is so good that I hope to make a good hull at least. I am still fairly new to blender altho Ive modeled several stuff for learning the software. My first approach to blender is maybe 3-4 years ago. Ive done a lot of rough hulls for several kind of ships but I never came close enough to call something "good work" These ships really inspired me a lot and I hope to have the motivation to finish this little project. (yeah.. "little" I said) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 So I went onto Blender and did some training on this kind of ships.. The data available for these models is so good that I hope to make a good hull at least. SwanClass_01.jpg I am still fairly new to blender altho Ive modeled several stuff for learning the software. My first approach to blender is maybe 3-4 years ago. Ive done a lot of rough hulls for several kind of ships but I never came close enough to call something "good work" These ships really inspired me a lot and I hope to have the motivation to finish this little project. (yeah.. "little" I said) Nice work! I am learning 3d modeling myself in Maya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 So.. I worked a few more hours on this one. The bow is getting its decorations and handles, the hull is made thick and I modeled the gundeck and upper decks. Where I struggle the most is the Stern galley. And I have to modifie a lot of the edges to make the "subsurf" modifier work properly. Thus I only give you the rough outline of the hull. Mast are placeholders for me to get an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobdelux Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Nice work.. Ship looks realy nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 update here: getting some conture into the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Just a couple of interesting ships which would be a nice additon to NA (in my opinion, at least ) Some plans are available online, some have been published in books and I tried to find the best and most complete set of plans. I´ll update the OP with new suggestions from time to time. Aurore, french, 1697-1720, 18 guns Length of Gundeck 92' Breadth 24' 6" Burthen 220 tons Gundeck 18 French 6-Pounder Plan: http://ancre.fr/fr/monographies/23-monographie-fregate-legere-l-aurore-1697.html Thread in the Shipyard: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3359-laurore-1697-french-18-gun-frigate/ Dauphine, french, 1703 - 1705, 30 guns Length of Gundeck 104' (Pied du Roi) Breadth 27' 5'' (Pied du Roi) Burthen ? Gundeck 10 french 8-pounder 12 french 6-pounder Quarterdeck 8 french 4-pounder Plans: http://www.epaves.corsaires.culture.fr/accessible/en/uc/02_01_01-Hull%20shape Reconstruction probably based on the 'Nymphe' of 1702 as both ships were designed by P. Cochois and have similiar dimensions. A plan of the 'Nymphe' can be found in 'History of the French Frigate' by Boudriot. Model: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xo1hso_la-dauphine-www-epaves-corsaires-culture-fr_creation (video) Peregrine Galley, british, 1700 - 1761, 20 guns Length of Gundeck 86' 6" Breadth 22' 10" Burthen 196 84⁄94 Gundeck 16 British 6-Pounder Quarterdeck 4 British 3-Pounder Plan: 'The Search for Speed Under Sail' by Howard Chapelle Model: Not the PG herself, but this contemporary model should give a nice impression how she could have looked like. Paintings/Drawings: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections.html#!csearch;searchTerm=Peregrine_Galley Notes: The PG had an huge impact on british ship design thoughout the 18th century due to her outstanding sailing qualities, this ship is a must-have, in my opinion. Hellevoetsluis, dutch, 1707 - 1724, 20 guns Length of Gundeck 110' 0" Breadth 29' 3" Burthen ? Gundeck 20 dutch 6-pounder? Notes: probably used for coastal defense. Blaa Hejren, danish, 1734 - 1761, 18 guns Length of Gundeck 86' 0" Breadth 22' 2" Burthen ? Gundeck 18 danish 4-pounders Plans: Orlogsbasen Architectura Navalis Mercatoria, F.H. Chapman Model: http://digitaltmuseum.no/011024213015?pos=24&name=Modell Phoenix, british, 1743 - 1762, 20 guns Length of Gundeck 112' 6 ¾" Breadth 32' 3" Burthen 514 17⁄94 Lower Gundeck 2 British 9-Pounder Upper Gundeck 20 British 9-Pounder Quarterdeck 2 British 3-Pounder Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/383993.html Model: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66372.html This is not the Phoenix, but should be quite similiar to her appearance. Notes: Representing pretty much all of the countless Establishment 20- and 24-gun ships of the RN in the first half of the 18th century. Top-heavy and mediocre sailors. More a small two-decker than a 'true' frigate. Amarante, french, 1747 - 1760, 12 guns Length of Gundeck 84' 0" (Pied du Roi) Breadth 22' 0" (Pied du Roi) Burthen 120 Gundeck 12 French 4-Pounder Plans: http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/Ama/plaquette.htm Model: http://www.laroyale-modelisme.net/t12151-expo-et-conferences-au-pays-de-saint-malo No Name, dutch, ~1750, 22 guns Gundeck 22 dutch 6-pounder Gibraltar, british, 1754 - 1773, 20 guns Length of Gundeck 107' 8 ½" Breadth 30' 4" Burthen 430 64⁄94 Gundeck 20 British 9-Pounder Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83766.html Price for a high res digital copy is ~30 Euros Notes: Thomas Slade's interpretation of the lines of the french privateer Tygre. Very succesful ship class. Niger, british, 1757 - 1814, 32 guns Length of Gundeck 125' 0" Breadth 35' 2" Burthen 679 67⁄94 Gundeck 26 British 12-Pounder 12 British 1/2-Pound Swivel Quarterdeck 4 British 6-Pounder Forecastle 2 British 6-Pounder Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82884.html Model: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66470.html The Guadeloupe of the Coventry-Class was slightly smaller and had 28 instead of 32 guns, but was otherwise very similiar. Notes: Most probably Thomas Slade´s finest frigates. Exceptional sailing characteristics and very fast (14 kn before the wind, 10.5 kn close- hauled). The benchmark for british frigate design till the end of the 18th century. Sardoine, french/british, 1757- 1768, 14 guns Length of Gundeck 94' 4 ½" Breadth 24' 8 ½" Burthen 255 74⁄94 Gundeck 14 British 4-Pounder 10 British 1/2-Pound Swivel Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83947.html Christiansborg, danish, 1758 - 1786, 24 guns Length of Gundeck 128' danish fod Breadth 33' 10' Gundeck 24 Danish 12-Pounder Chevert/Pomona, french/british, 1759 - 1776, 18 guns Length of Gundeck 108' 0" Breadth 27' 4" Burthen 364 26⁄94 Gundeck 18 British 6-Pounder 12 British 1/2-Pound Swivel Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84012.html Notes: Dunkirk privateer. With a length-to-breadth ratio of 3.95 clearly built for speed. Adolph Friedric, swedish, 1763 - 1786, 24 guns (East-Indiaman) Length of Gundeck 160' 0" Breadth 42' 0" Depth in Hold 21' 6" Notes: former swedish SoL Prins Fredrik Adolf (sixty guns) Provornyi, russian, 1776 - 1789, 20 guns (rowing frigate, Baltic Sea) Length of Gundeck 124' 4" Breadth 26' 0" Burthen ? Gundeck 20 Russian 8-Pounder Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/382893.html Termagant, british, 1780 - 1795, 22 guns Length of Gundeck 110' 5" Breadth 28' 0" Burthen 377 58⁄94 Gundeck 22 British 6-Pounder 4 British 12-Pound Carronade Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82993.html Paintings/Drawings: http://blueworldwebmuseum.org/item.php?title=H.M.S._Termagant_at_Anchor&id=222 Notes: Based on the lines of the french prize Pomona (capt. 1761), this is the most beautiful fusion of british and french shipbuilding I´ve seen so far. Very tempted to model her myself, already ordered the plans. Bonne Citoyenne, french/british, 1795 - 1819, 20 guns Length of Gundeck 120' 0" Breadth 30' 11" Burthen 511 4⁄94 Gundeck (1796) 2 British 32-Pound Carronade 18 British 6-Pounder Gundeck (1809) 18 British 32-Pound Carronade 2 British 9-Pounder Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83820.html Notes: Became famous for capturing the much larger french 48-gun frigate 'Furieuse' (armed en flute, but still quite a feat). Very good sailor. Vensejo/Port Mahon, spanish/british, 1797 - 1837, 18 guns Length of Gundeck 91' 5 ½" Breadth 25' 2" Burthen 276 50⁄94 Gundeck 18 British 6-Pounder Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84066.html Edited September 26, 2015 by Malachi 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Nice find! Pinned so everyone can start adding plans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Great post! I wouldn't mind seeing Sardoine and Termagant in-game at all. Sardoine would be fun, being such a small three-masted ship; and Termagant would be a good-looking competitor to the Snow and the Cerberus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Dumping my collection Cruizer 1732 Speedwell 1752 Deal Castle 1756 Fly 1778 Savage 1778 Yacht 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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