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This is my first time posting to the Tribunal (shows how well behaved most of the community is).

 

Last night I grouped up with Pastoree, a new player in a Lynx wanting to upgrade to a better ship. We started sailing SW from Matthew Town towards Cuba (that's where all the usual traffic is) and hopped into a battle that started near us, as we saw a privateer in the defending fleet.

 

As soon as we entered the battle we were greeted with "STAY OUT OF MY F%#^ING BATTLES!"... I replied with "somebody's a grumpy pirate" as I sailed towards the privateer. For some reason Eisbrecher (who was in a Constitution by the way) was very offended that we joined in the battle and continued to spout off rude remarks and continued to point out that Pastoree must suck because he is still in a Lynx (he said earlier in OW that he got the Connie in 2 days of starting OW and changed it to 2 hours during the match, not really relevant to the Tribunal but it shows the kind of person we were dealing with).

 

He threatened to TK both of us, but gave up on that after Pastoree told him he would get banned so he stated he would hunt us down in OW and kill us... I told him he couldn't catch the Renommee, so he insisted on sinking the ship that Pastoree was trying to capture. After we got the crew down enough Pastoree was getting into position to board it when Eisbrecher broadsided the ship sinking it. When the battle ended he chased down Pastoree and attempted to sink his Lynx all the while telling Pastoree that he sucked for owning the Lynx.

 

I can't figure out how to add pictures so here is the link to my NA screenshots, it's the last 7 pictures:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/B-24Liberator/screenshots/?appid=311310&sort=newestfirst&browsefilter=myfiles&view=imagewall#scrollTop=0

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Lib can you throw in a transcript of the Chatlog from that battle as well? 
- (Tutorial on "how to get your chatlog") http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3968-how-to-find-your-chatlog/

 

Also, in the future, report players with bad behaviour with the ingame report system.

The tribunal itself seems reasonable enough. Bad language isn't accepted, not even if provoked.
Cheers. 

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Thanks for that, I only have the battle chatlog not the OW chatlog but some of the stuff he said in OW is in the screenshots... I'll keep in mind that there's a report chat function.

[2015-Jul-10 16:34:27.756932] Eisbrecher: stay out of my goddamn battles or ill sink you

[2015-Jul-10 16:34:55.588523] LIBERATOR: sobody is a grumpy pirate

[2015-Jul-10 16:35:06.995176] Eisbrecher: somebodys about to take a boradside

[2015-Jul-10 16:35:21.035979] Pastoree: i was after the brig then it joined this battle

[2015-Jul-10 16:35:28.783422] Eisbrecher: then you saw me take it

[2015-Jul-10 16:35:56.075983] Pastoree: why do you want it? you have a nice ship already

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:00.575240] LIBERATOR: maybe u should go after ships more ur size then :)

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:05.470520] Eisbrecher: because i can

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:10.985836] LIBERATOR: then dont complain

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:16.853172] Eisbrecher: im sinking your ass

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:38.709422] Pastoree: bannable offense mate

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:39.876488] LIBERATOR: lol

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:45.948836] Eisbrecher: fine

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:53.077243] Eisbrecher: i gave you fair warning

[2015-Jul-10 16:36:55.446379] LIBERATOR: let him get banned if he wants

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:08.286113] Eisbrecher: actually naw, ill just run down and attack you

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:13.439408] LIBERATOR: IUm faster

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:17.507641] LIBERATOR: I'm

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:31.430437] Pastoree: kill it. ill take the privateer

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:35.358662] Eisbrecher: no you arent

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:39.102876] LIBERATOR: yes I am

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:43.254113] Eisbrecher: this think has a 17 kts top speed

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:43.726140] Pastoree: can you grape it?

[2015-Jul-10 16:37:49.204454] LIBERATOR: Renommee is the faster ship in OW

[2015-Jul-10 16:38:00.051074] Eisbrecher: guess ill just have to get your friend then

[2015-Jul-10 16:38:09.905638] LIBERATOR: he's in a lynx, he loses nothing

[2015-Jul-10 16:38:13.813861] Eisbrecher: fine

[2015-Jul-10 16:38:17.782088] LIBERATOR: grow up

[2015-Jul-10 16:38:23.392409] Eisbrecher: suck my cock

[2015-Jul-10 16:38:33.436984] Pastoree: what? all 2 inches of it?

[2015-Jul-10 16:38:51.416012] Pastoree: no thanks m8

[2015-Jul-10 16:39:00.339522] LIBERATOR: come over here Pastoree

[2015-Jul-10 16:39:06.094852] Eisbrecher: kind of ambitious of you to think you could define a dick. you cant even get out of a lynx

[2015-Jul-10 16:40:15.522823] LIBERATOR: double his ship

[2015-Jul-10 16:42:25.728270] Pastoree: cam you board him? ill capture it when you kill the crew

[2015-Jul-10 16:42:33.471713] LIBERATOR: if I board it wont let u cap

[2015-Jul-10 16:42:35.596834] Eisbrecher: im sinking it

[2015-Jul-10 16:42:42.862250] Pastoree: yea it will

[2015-Jul-10 16:43:18.311278] LIBERATOR: now grape it

[2015-Jul-10 16:45:24.635503] Pastoree: if you board it and ake out all the crew, i can capture it.

[2015-Jul-10 16:45:31.255882] LIBERATOR: u can't

[2015-Jul-10 16:45:48.606874] Pastoree: i gaurantee it

[2015-Jul-10 16:45:54.264198] LIBERATOR: Ive tried b4

[2015-Jul-10 16:46:01.465609] LIBERATOR: they lock it from boarding

[2015-Jul-10 16:46:14.054329] Pastoree: it let me do it, then i died in hat ship so i lost i

[2015-Jul-10 16:47:11.680626] Eisbrecher: no boarding for you

[2015-Jul-10 16:47:13.057704] LIBERATOR: this douche is going to sink it anyways

[2015-Jul-10 16:47:28.832607] Eisbrecher: stay out of my games

[2015-Jul-10 16:47:44.556506] Pastoree: grow up

[2015-Jul-10 16:47:48.659741] LIBERATOR: I agreee

[2015-Jul-10 16:47:48.896754] Pastoree: such a child

[2015-Jul-10 16:47:58.115281] Eisbrecher: l2p

[2015-Jul-10 16:48:01.228459] Eisbrecher: l

[2015-Jul-10 16:48:03.416585] Eisbrecher: 2

[2015-Jul-10 16:48:07.625825] Eisbrecher: p

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[2015-Jul-10 16:38:23.392409] Eisbrecher: suck my cock

 

Screenshot of the above chat from steam here:

TalHQRO.jpg

 

This is the most blatant offense of the entire chat. There are more lesser ones, but this is the one that should prompt a punishment the most.

 

Side-note: Those are some nice screenshots (outside of this occurrence)

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What time does he usually play?  A group of players could go take his Coni from him.

I'm down for that, I would have helped take him but by the time he became visible he was going the opposite direction.

 

Also, William thanks for the compliment  :) 

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Although I can understand the need for punishment I'd rather not start to gank him as this would be more of lynching. It would be a waste of time and does not seem to be worth it.

Let his punishment come the "official" way, here in the tribunal.

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If some players now decide to gank him there is no problem within.

Such regulation has happened bevore in the Antilles.

 

And as an abishious sandbox game this is the ideal thing thats going to happen.

 

 

Other than that only the devs have the right and power to ban ppl.

Did you file a report ticket?

Thats the way to get the devs attention to this cause.

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If some players now decide to gank him there is no problem within.

Such regulation has happened bevore in the Antilles.

And as an abishious sandbox game this is the ideal thing thats going to happen.

 

Supporting lynching ? Lynching as an "ideal" type of "regulation" ? Legal ganking ?

Private justice, a "regulation" that "happened before in the Antilles" ?

 

If so, what's the use of the tribunal ?

Supporting double penalties : first ganked then banned ? For a first-time offender ?

 

Not the kind of values I want to live with. 

Not sure that a game conveying such values is the kind of game I want to play with...

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ganking is not prohibited by the gamemechanics. Its only to a certain point regulated. 3x BR.

 

I dont promote ganking per se. My writing might be missunderstood tho. I see that.

What I say is that if your beeing a dick on the OW you should be prepared for the punishment that raging players are going against you.

Bad charma is bad charma.

 

 

Also devs said that the tribunal is sort of obsolete.

If you see such behavior you should report it ingame. Via the report option.

Devs will see those reports and check them frequently. Punishment will be appropriate to what happened.

The Tribunal is here because Sea Trials did not have any kind of reporting system.

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If the accused had fired upon his own ships would he not be entering piracy? As the Sea Trials now have the report function perhaps this section should become the 'Wanted' section for pirates. This way pirates can experience what I hope they do when the game is released and that is the playerbase hunting them down. 

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ganking is not prohibited by the gamemechanics. Its only to a certain point regulated. 3x BR.

 

I dont promote ganking per se. My writing might be missunderstood tho. I see that.

What I say is that if your beeing a dick on the OW you should be prepared for the punishment that raging players are going against you.

Bad charma is bad charma.

There's also a big difference between three mates "ganking" the offender once (that is quite a small penalty), and repeatedly "ganking" him to make him lose his ship(s) (that is grieving)...  :)

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The community can police itself.  There is no better way of telling someone they did something very wrong than by taking their ship away.  Upinsmoke said some extremely, extremely offensive things over and over and over again to multiple people in different instances.  He got declared KOS to every US player.  He lost several ships and any time anyone sees him he is attacked and never let go.  He isn't saying extremely offensive stuff to people anymore as far as I am aware.  I think he was also denied membership in a clan because of it.

 

Same for this player.  It's part of the game.  Anyone can attack anyone.  If he offends someone or ticks someone off there is nothing to stop a group of players coming along and attacking him.  Griefing?  He griefed.  If you don't want a group to come get revenge on you then don't grief others.

 

This is especially true for pirates and how they can easily police their own members.

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The community can police itself.

I don't think so. That's being judge, jury and party of the same cause. It never works. 

What will the first offender's friends do ? Fight back. If he ain't a lonely wolf.

That's not justice. That's vendetta. The law of the strongest, not of the fairest.

Definitely not my values. And don't retort "In those days..."

 

My opinion... :)

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LeBoiteux,

It's part of the game. There is nothing in place to stop it.  Especially when in this case the guy wasn't breaking any rules.

 

If someone was greifing a member of TDA you can bet all your money that all nearby TDA members would be there in a little bit and the griefer's ability to play the game without getting sunk will be done for that night.  If griefers aren't breaking any rules this is the best method to deal with them in my opinion.  It's a game, it isn't real life.  If you don't want pvp, then find a nice quiet area of pve.

 

It is all part of the game.  Hunt them down and get back at them.  Look at the other tribunal cases.  What this guy said was tame compared to others. 

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  Especially when in this case the guy wasn't breaking any rules.

There are rules about profanity, among other things :

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/6023-open-world-behavior-and-chat-bans/?hl=profanity

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2346-forum-and-sea-trials-rules/

Can't understand the logic of such an argument. If a guy doesn't break any rule, he shouldn't be punished...

If a rule needs to be added to the official list, ask Game Labs to do it.

(...) the griefer's ability to play the game without getting sunk will be done for that night. 

That's grieving. 

If someone was greifing a member of TDA you can bet all your money that all nearby TDA members would (...)

Private justice...

It's a game, it isn't real life. If you don't want pvp, then find a nice quiet area of pve.

A game, as any fiction, convey values, RL values.

One can pvp in a civilized context without promoting lynching, grieving and expeditious private justice. 

 

I guess it's no good keeping on arguing about that... Our views differ too much.

Have a nice day, gentleman.

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Perhaps, I didn't explain myself properly. When talking about "what kind of warning", I was referring to :

- should he be officially warned ? (my point of view)

- or should he be ganked all night long ? 

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That, too is not subject to this forum.

 

If players decide to gank him to death its their business. It can lead to counterganks until one party has enough or eventually quits.

 

What happens to him is not my business and neither is it the business of the whole community.

It was a disput between three players. If a "bounty" is issued.. thats it.

 

If the report was issued. fine. If not its their own fault.

This Tribunal is not here to solve such "minor" problems.

The report button is designed to resolve those kind of TK and grief.

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Off topic but i would like to know, has admin ever stated that repeatedly ganking someone is griefing and is a bannable offense. I have heard it many times and never actually believed it but i think it needs to be cleared up. Also can we have a subforum for witch hunts :). Bassically a forum where players can complain about other players without it being a tribunal case. If someone gets repeatedly ganked or cussed they could post there so that players can organize response to that.

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