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Hi there!

Last Sunday evening a medium sized swedish fleet went to Bridgetown. After one of the various Hostility Missions, one of the small french ships, sailed by Wolf74, kept tagging or "Control"ing at least one ship at a time without any intent to fight. This went on for about 20-30 minutes.

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@ furious french captains: Keep in mind only the accusing and accused parties are allowed to comment on Tribunal cases if they want to yield additional proof.

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I'm gonna go ahead and butt in and say this does not look like griefing to me. In the first few minutes you see the French Captain get well within 300m of the L'Ocean, really pushing the envelope and took what looks like a heavy broadside from a second SOL because of it. You bring a 1st rate fleet don't be surprised when you get dabbed on by a cheeky prince.

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Heh, imagine those who tag get the shrinking circle of death while those who get tagged can play like today.

It may be fighting fire with tactical nukes but cheeky princes would be taken down a notch or two.

Fighting griefing (your mileage may vary...) with tribunals won't work.

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1. You were shooting at me for a looooooong time, taging yourself stupidly (and were not able to dismast a Fir Fir Prince...)

2. "Just Sail out", why should I? You were taging me, and it's you who wanted to leave, not me. Don't expect the ennemy to do your job!

3. My ship had control, yes, but 42pd are easily able to dismast a 6th rate, even more easily under 750m.

4. Even with control, only 1 ship wasn't able to leave most of the time, so the fact i "blocked" the full fleet is false.

5. "without any intent to fight"? What make you suppose such a thing? Obviously i wouldn't rush a 10 1rst rate fleet alone, that would be stupid... But considering i wasn't going to fight is pure speculation, and since i was "controling" 1rst a the time...

6. Were you able to go back to your port safely? No. So saying i was taging whithout reason is false, since our fleet was outside, just waiting for you, so you could consider that as a "tactical move".

7. I don't think a 2:39 video is a good-enough proof but if you say so. You can see that i'm sailing close to 1rst who were sailing in my direction...Maybe you didn't recorded a moment of break in the control just to make a tribunal to justify a failed operation...

8. The firts screenshot is funny because you were (The closest L'Océan at the right side) able to leave (see 1rts and 3rd screenshot, same guy "Havelock"), and i remember i could leave too, so nobody was under control, and since it's this l'Océan who was taged by control in the video was sailing in my direction, you weren't trying to leave.

9. I finaly had to leave because of the menace/insulting words, 45 minutes left in the battle, and the last IA sunk at 1:05, so that was only 20 minutes, and if look the timed you loosed while shoting me, the time you were able to leave and didn't do it and the number of repair some guy needed (Riptide for exemple, was at 1/2 Armor and 3/4 Structure), you finaly didn't loose that much time and you saved a lot of repair.

 

And for some explaination why they weren't able to dismast my 6th Rate, she was in Fir/Fir/Heavy Rig with "Basic" upgrades, so way to strong for 1rst Rates

 

PS: You shouldn't post screenshot while you are making menace of tribunal and if you are saying "only noob do that", thats probably no good for credibility

PS2: The video only proof that i'm charging a 1rst rate fleet, you wan't to sink me and you are calling me a "F***ing dumbass" - sam123123  (Not so smart tu use this as a proof)

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Wolf74 said:

-snap-

1. Of course we shoot, when you are sitting in control range...
2. Because wasting someones time is not very gentle.
3. 6 hits would demast you. And then? Even at 50% youd be faster, having a rep every 12 mins... If it would be so easy, we wouldve done it.
4. I dont see a difference between griefing one ship or ten ships. (also i didnt even accuse you of blocking the full fleet if you read carefully)
5. You not initiating a battle after 30mins is proof enough of you... not initiating a battle i guess?
6. Thanks, thats basically the confession you just held us in battle. Your intent could have influence on penalty, but a crime stays a crime (if devs convict you of that of course).
7. I think there is more video material if devs wish. This section is just an example.
8. Another ship you tagged was not able to leave, should be the close left one.
9. See 4 and 6. Doesnt matter if griefing for 20 minutes or 2 hours. Crime stays crime. I think nobody asked you to keep tagging so someone could repair.

PS: "Only noob do that". Nobody is calling you a noob here. He is just implying that your behaviour is typical for noobs. Also getting called "noob" can barely be considered "menace" and is a widely used term for inexperienced or low skilled players.

PS2: True, you should have rightclick reported that. I dont see tho how this lightens up your case, as i am the one reporting you. EDIT: He didnt even type that lol. TS is not part of the game and there we can say what we want.

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1. Didn't have to stay in control range since you were taging me (and i was backing up while you were shooting because mast can fall easily)

2. Didn't wasted your time, since you were attacked a few moment after by our fleet, after the 2nd Hostility, and our fleet was ready to deal with you at the start of your mission (Some player even joined by mistake...)

3. A Prince could be faster a 50%, but you weren't moving at all for the most part, so you just stayed in the control, and complain about not be able to leave...

4. The difference between 1 or 10 ship? A good 6th can deal with one 1rst ( And i'm not saying i could be able to sink a 1rst in duel, but thats worth a try)

5. Prince De Neufchatel: 24 Guns (6pd or 18/24pd Caronades) against a ten SOLs fleet... You are saying that i shoud rush you so you could get a kill? I'll teach you something you might know, when you don't have any chance, you wait for a chance (In this case, a 1rst away from the fleet)

6. You weren't able to sail at Gustavia, we give you a fight and a teleport to port, you earned time...

7. So why this video? We only see a 6th Rate charging a SOL's fleet, so ask that i doesn't want to fight is a bit harsh.

8. At this time i was able to leave (sadly didn't make a screenshot), but are you sure you were all under control all the time? And are you sure that nobody in your fleet has control, like Havelock who is the only one we can see under control for now...

9. They does matter since i let you escape at 47:00, and the last Ia died at 1:05 (+2 minutes of timer because they have no "Battle Over"), and in all the proof you did right now, you aren't trying to escape me, so even if i keep you in battle (and go pretty close to you), you can't prove that i didn't searched the fight, and your video prove that i was pretty aggresive. 

(And if you wanted to know, my plan was to sink riptide, but that was before he was able to repair twice during this "wasted time", and you didn't leave when you can probably beacause he used a repair)

PS: The menace was for the tribunal, when you want to do a tribunal, you make it, no need to cry "I'll put you to the tribunal".

PS2: The fact that you let the sound prove that you are insulting me on the forum, and it's a big part of the game.

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The question is: is it valid tactics in RvR or is it simply what we swedes here claim it is. 

@Wolf74 as you could also clearly see/hear, one tower was shooting, so even if you could leave for a moment, you knew that not all of the opponents fleet could leave. How can you claim to have an intention to fight? Any solo prince wouldn't stand a chance against a 1st rate. And here you against a whole fleet?

Anyways, it's not really about punishment but a request to clarify rules.

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"one tower was shooting, so even if you could leave for a moment, you knew that not all of the opponents fleet could leave", so you should make a tribunal against the tower then, but it's not my problem if you don't leave when you can,.

"How can you claim to have an intention to fight?", and i'll return you "How could you claim i have no intention to fight?" (Except a video where i'm with my ship at a short enought range to shoot a ship with Carronades)

"Any solo prince wouldn't stand a chance against a 1st rate", we already saw Basic Cutter sinking a Pavel, why a Prince wouldn't be able to kill a 1rst?

"And here you against a whole fleet?", by delaying the fight, and wait for the ennemy to make a mistake, like everybody do when you got a significant disavantage.

And remember that control has 750m range, 42pd and 24pd can damage Prince mast up to 750m, with a full 1rst fleet you could easily deal with it, but instead of that you were all rising sail and waiting, waiting for the ennemy to leave...

You have at least one good solution to deal with me in this batte, but you were just stoping...

You couldn't just have everything you want if you don't try to get it: Here, you wanted to leave but you were doing nothing most of the time...

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