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Treasure Worth $17 Billion Found in ‘Holy Grail of Shipwrecks’

Discovery of the Spanish galleon San Jose had been kept a secret for three years.

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A Spanish galleon laden with gold was found off the coast of Colombia three ago with the help of an underwater autonomous vehicle operated by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI). But the discovery of the San Jose, which sunk on June 8, 1708, had been kept a secret for years. Only now, with permission from the Colombian government, has WHOI released new details about this amazing discovery. The exact location of the wreck of the ship, often called the “holy grail of shipwrecks,” was long considered to be a never-ending mystery.

The three-masted, 62-gun galleon went down on June 8, 1708, with 600 people on board. When it sunk it was also full of treasure, including gold, silver and emeralds worth as much as $17 billion in today’s dollars. The treasure is now the subject of legal battles between several nations and private companies. Several weeks ago, UNESCO, the United Nations cultural agency, asked Colombia to not commercially exploit the wreck. The exact location remains a state secret.

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22 minutes ago, Kjartan said:

Nonsense, Arguably it goes to the Surviving indigenous peoples in which it was stolen....

Stolen? The land belong to his owner, and the owner of it in that time was the spanish empire.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Kjartan said:

Nonsense, Arguably it goes to the Surviving indigenous peoples in which it was stolen....

Exactly it was/is full of valuable goods stolen from the indigenous Natives.

 

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16 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Stolen? The land belong to his owner, and the owner of it in that time was the spanish empire.

 

 

Spain's "ownership" was established via one of the greatest mass violations of fundamental human rights in history, I don't think Spain wants to claim its baggage from this era. If they take responsibility for this cargo, they should also take should take responsibility for the agony and genocide they inflicted on the indigenous people of central and South America which allowed them to acquire that gold. 

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21 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Stolen? The land belong to his owner, and the owner of it in that time was the spanish empire.

 

 

Spain enslaved and murdered millions of natives while stealing their land, in the name of religion and profit.

 

People slag off the British Empire, but it's excesses were nothing compared to that of the Spanish and Portuguese Empires...and the Ottomans...

 

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1 minute ago, Capt Aerobane said:

Spain's "ownership" was established via one of the greatest mass violations of fundamental human rights in history, I don't think Spain wants to claim its baggage from this era. If they take responsibility for this cargo, they should also take should take responsibility for the agony and genocide they inflicted on the indigenous people of central and South America which allowed them to acquire that gold. 

Your ignorence about history is as big as your mouth.

Seanjo, you are included in this appreciation.

 

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8 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Your ignorence about history is as big as your mouth.

Seanjo, you are included in this appreciation.

 

LOL...just LOL...

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9 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

yeah, I loled too when I read those posts.

So, do you deny that Spain exploited and enslaved the indigenous peoples of the Americas? Or does it not count if it's part of "encomienda"? I'm an American and make no mistake we have a blood stained history too, my comments are not meant to demean Spain. But to outright deny any wrongdoing by Spain is revisionism.

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If you wanna really know what's a massive expoliation, you just have to visit the british museum....

 

Edit:      Returning to the thread, it is very difficult to find a solution to this kind of problems .... A fun example:


This huge hole in the pyramid of Mycerinus was opened in 1837 by the English archaeologist Howard Vyse using dynamite to take out the sarcophagus and take it on a ship  "Beatrice" to The british museum.

The "Beatrice" sank in front of the port of Cartagena (Spain) due to a storm ... He is still there ... Why does not he recover? ..... Easy, to avoid litigation between: Egypt. ... as the first owner of the object, England, as "owner" during the transport, Spain where he currently rests and the English insurer who paid for the loss of said sarcophagus in his day ...

Every treasure the treasure hunters find is a headache for the international court .....

Resultado de imagen de piramide de micerino

Edited by Alvar Fañez de Minaya

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1 hour ago, seanjo said:

Spain enslaved and murdered millions of natives while stealing their land, in the name of religion and profit.

 

People slag off the British Empire, but it's excesses were nothing compared to that of the Spanish and Portuguese Empires...and the Ottomans...

 

It actually was Britain who did that.
Spain gave citizen rights quite fast to all natives who braced catholicism.
Tell me any thing slightly similar to the Laws of Burgos (1512) done by the british or any other colonial empire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Burgos

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5 minutes ago, Hethwill said:

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Sure.......... I'm aganist private treasure hunters....... but wich museum?.... Colombian museum?.. Spanish museum?..........  Difficult to decide....

And it can be much more confused.... Imagine.... Spanish gold, in a british ship, sunk in front of mexico for example...... or international waters if you want complete kit......

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f this was a British wreck, that would be relevant. I'm not trying to put one colonial power over another, merely pointing out, as others have, that if anyone should have the rights to the wreck it should be the victims of exploitation, not the powers that exploited them. Spain might not have plumbed the depths Britain did, but that gold is still stolen goods.

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3 minutes ago, Capt Aerobane said:

f this was a British wreck, that would be relevant. I'm not trying to put one colonial power over another, merely pointing out, as others have, that if anyone should have the rights to the wreck it should be the victims of exploitation, not the powers that exploited them. Spain might not have plumbed the depths Britain did, but that gold is still stolen goods.

We all have an opinion, but with the law in hand and in a court, it is very difficult to give the reason to someone in these cases ...
Because even if it is sunken, a ship is considered the country's land to carry the flag, and if there were also dead, it is considered a tomb, which has a different implication. If the waters in which the ship rest are from a different country, the subject it gets complicated .....
And the proof is that discoveries in international waters are usually distributed among the affected countries and treasure hunters (it is usually gold or silver that is easy to distribute) ... While discoveries in sovereign waters, the country is usually the he keeps it, since he does not usually give permission for another to take it out, nor does he report the amount of recovered things ....

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Someones bureaucratic pocket will get fat... really fat

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Regardless of where the bulk of it goes....If those who put in the effort to find it are not greatly rewarded, others will not be motivated to seek treasure and those that do wont report their find.

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The indigenous governments are just going to sell it off to the highest bidder anyways and pocket the money. they probably kept it a secret because they didn't have the means to extract the cargo. interesting find though, a shame the wreck probably isn't going to be preserved in the extraction process. It'l be interesting if they ever locate a treasure galleon off the Florida coast.

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I take a sit here because tomorrow I'll make sure you learn some things and not the fucking black legend about Spain which with I'm really fed up

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The black legend of Spain?

How do I ask this respectfully?  What is the real story and how does it differ from the legend?

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