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Captains,

in this thread please provide feedback on new Hercules ship, e.g. stats discussion, problems with the ship you noticed etc.

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22 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

Hercules 80 BR. Should be about 100 or more. All shallows ships should have rebalanced BR, because they are just 80.

Indeed. Looking at his number of guns, hp,  thickness it shouldnt have the same BR as a snow.

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2 hours ago, Wraith said:

80 BR is ridiculous. It's sailing profile is bonkers too for the armor weight, loadout:

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Its a one time gift ship. The ship is fine. It's a great ship and will remain great. 80 BR is a number that is given to light ships so they can enter both shallow and deep water battles.

Once other options for getting it will appear - they will be prohibitively expensive turning this vessel more to a status and power symbol. 

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3 hours ago, admin said:


Its a one time gift ship. The ship is fine. It's a great ship and will remain great. 80 BR is a number that is given to light ships so they can enter both shallow and deep water battles.

Once other options for getting it will appear - they will be prohibitively expensive turning this vessel more to a status and power symbol. 

Admin, can you please give duras to this beautiful beast? At least temporarily?

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3 hours ago, admin said:


Its a one time gift ship. The ship is fine. It's a great ship and will remain great. 80 BR is a number that is given to light ships so they can enter both shallow and deep water battles.

Once other options for getting it will appear - they will be prohibitively expensive turning this vessel more to a status and power symbol. 

As mention in the other thread if this is a one time gift the ships should not be so random RNG.  I seen one guy with a purple ship and thoguht cool it's a rare, but than some one posted a blue no perk ship.  Sorry for how hard the mission is and rare the ship will be since it's a prem ship it should auto have Purple or Gold stats.

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Testing the ship, it seems to be pretty sluggish and hard to steer. Turn rate is ok, but manual sailing turning is not very effective compared to rattlesnakes, mercuries, snows etc. Even Cerberus seems to feel better and it's a bigger ship. The requirement for gunnery crew is very high, but I will test different setups and check results (ship might need some more extra crew, but will try to put hammocks + lightship hammocks for test). 

There is one potential bug. Mixing longs (bottom) + carros on top can screw up aim totally. Carronades are shooting super high into the air. Probably same old bug like Renomee in NAL and some other old ships in NA. I remember that kind of bug happening through the past 3 years on many ships, basically when mixing carros + longs.

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After more testing:

I added Light Ship Hammocks, now manual sailing and turning feels better, but ship is still heavily undercrewed (will try to add hammocks). What I noticed is that the ship has very low fire rate (because of guns placement). Makes it very bad when passing enemy ship, half of the broadside won't hit enemy ship. Similar issue has LGV Refit because of swivels, mostly happens in that scenario (rolling front, locked sector). Even when my ship will go slowly, an enemy can pass me quickly, avoiding most of the shots.

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Dispersion/shooting bug still very notable. 

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Did sail her unperked and unequipped. No RNG refits, simple woods.

She accelerates very fast. I'd say too fast. Especially with depowering and recovering from it she just picks up like a springboard. Even with the great jib sail plan it feels too much.

Turning didn't feel strange, she has good control, very fine trim and can wear very tight. Tack is slow but she is a very heavy 6th rate. She can do a full 180º wear and back  in a LGV length radius if finely trimmed by the captain. ( still that foremast...has something odd... ). Noticed something odd with the foremast authority compared to the aft mast but will try to record a video, hard to explain. 

The rudder authority feels delayed but could be that she was tested without any upgrade.

Interesting enough the broadsides work better in Random as opposed to the rolling due to the main gun deck battery placement.

Overall very pleased with the ship. Model looks fine, the amount of crew increase pays justice.

 

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Tried out the ship, very nice in my opinion. The only "problem" i have with it is that at times it heels so much that the lower deck gets below the water line (showing red X in the gun slot, suprisingly not taking in water), don't know if this is WAD or not tho. Could also maybe use a bump in crew, and maybe take the Cerberus down to 6th rate where it historically belongs since it now has a match in the class.

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1 hour ago, The Marinadtor said:

Tried out the ship, very nice in my opinion. The only "problem" i have with it is that at times it heels so much that the lower deck gets below the water line (showing red X in the gun slot, suprisingly not taking in water), don't know if this is WAD or not tho. Could also maybe use a bump in crew, and maybe take the Cerberus down to 6th rate where it historically belongs since it now has a match in the class.

I actually kinda like that heel and think it should be the case on more ships. Adds a purpose to battlesails (antileak + antiheel to fire everything)

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Just a small and short vid about the new Hercules and 32pd carronade love.

Edited by z4ys

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Now that the Hercules got 200 crew, I definatly don't see the point with the Cerberus being a 5th rate, they are close in every stat and Hercules is better in some. The Cerberus was a 6th rate historically and at the moment don't really seem to have a place in the game where she gets used alot. To me the Hercules and Cerberus should be what the Trincomalee and Indefatigable are for 5th rates, but for the 6th rates.

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26 minutes ago, The Marinadtor said:

Now that the Hercules got 200 crew, I definatly don't see the point with the Cerberus being a 5th rate, they are close in every stat and Hercules is better in some. The Cerberus was a 6th rate historically and at the moment don't really seem to have a place in the game where she gets used alot. To me the Hercules and Cerberus should be what the Trincomalee and Indefatigable are for 5th rates, but for the 6th rates.

We don't want powercreep for light ship battles, rattlers eclipse everything else as is and adding the Cerberus will make it worse

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16 minutes ago, Capt Aerobane said:

We don't want powercreep for light ship battles, rattlers eclipse everything else as is and adding the Cerberus will make it worse

If anything the Cerberus would be an equaliser now that the Hercules will wreck everything. Just like there are tiers for the 5th, 4th, 3rd and 1st rates there should be tiers in 6th rates I think.

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4 minutes ago, The Marinadtor said:

If anything the Cerberus would be an equaliser now that the Hercules will wreck everything. Just like there are tiers for the 5th, 4th, 3rd and 1st rates there should be tiers in 6th rates I think.

i don't think the herc will be a problem because it's so rare.

if you see someone using one in a PB focus on sinking that player and boom you dont have to worry about them on a herc ever again as it is completely irreplaceable and can't be traded.

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19 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

Testing the ship, it seems to be pretty sluggish and hard to steer. Turn rate is ok, but manual sailing turning is not very effective compared to rattlesnakes, mercuries, snows etc. Even Cerberus seems to feel better and it's a bigger ship. The requirement for gunnery crew is very high, but I will test different setups and check results (ship might need some more extra crew, but will try to put hammocks + lightship hammocks for test). 

There is one potential bug. Mixing longs (bottom) + carros on top can screw up aim totally. Carronades are shooting super high into the air. Probably same old bug like Renomee in NAL and some other old ships in NA. I remember that kind of bug happening through the past 3 years on many ships, basically when mixing carros + longs.

Santisima has this problem, if you do not aim at very the level of water when you shoot against an enemy while both carronades and a deck of longs are loaded, longs hit correctly while carronades shoot at the sky.

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can some one post a screen shot of the cannon load out in port?  I'm about to try the exam again but had been wondering the cannons you can put on each of the decks and all.

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1 hour ago, The Marinadtor said:

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Thanks, and I official got the dang mission done on the alt.  Sad when your lowest level char can do an elite mission you can't finish...lol  He would us this ship way more than other chars, that is why it being none tradeable is kinda sucky.  

 

Man that is a odd set up, wonder if running all longs 6's would be best on the middle and top, than run the 18 lbrs as bonus to them.

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I don't even dare to sail mine, considering I am only slightly above average skill tier and there is no way to get it back once it is lost.... It is a very fine ship tho.

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