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Recently the better woods were moved out of safezones...

Why weren't module components moved out?  French have sailcloth within safezone, Dutch have carpenters and giejt whatever...   balance it out...  move upgrade components where they can be captured.

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6 hours ago, SKurj said:

Recently the better woods were moved out of safezones...

Why weren't module components moved out?  French have sailcloth within safezone, Dutch have carpenters and giejt whatever...   balance it out...  move upgrade components where they can be captured.

Every resource afaik can be gotten in a capturable port. 

Greitje can be gotten in Oranjestad; French Sail Cloth in La Navasse and St. Marys; Swedish Carpenters in Saint John's, Sinamaica, The Settlement, Amelienborg, and Island Harbour. 

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18 minutes ago, BPHick said:

Every resource afaik can be gotten in a capturable port. 

Greitje can be gotten in Oranjestad; French Sail Cloth in La Navasse and St. Marys; Swedish Carpenters in Saint John's, Sinamaica, The Settlement, Amelienborg, and Island Harbour. 

Sure they can, but no nation should have them protected by a safezone, if one nation does then they all should... have an equal item protected...  GB for example has no items protected, the only thing GB did have was teak and that was moved out...

 

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4 minutes ago, SKurj said:

Sure they can, but no nation should have them protected by a safezone, if one nation does then they all should... have an equal item protected...  GB for example has no items protected, the only thing GB did have was teak and that was moved out...

 

Given the prevalence of teak on the map, I thought that was a mistake (GB is supposed to the be the easiest nation, after all). GB should also have a gold/silver producing port inside their safe zone (closest one is George Town or Les Cayes iirc). 

But the question isn't really what GB should have, it's why should other nations have certain regional resources in safe-zone ports. I go back to, as long as it is available in an equal or greater number of capturable ports, it doesn't really make a difference game-play wise, and gives some incentive for playing those nations (other than just I'm going to be uber l337 playing hard-mode nation x). 

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1 minute ago, BPHick said:

Given the prevalence of teak on the map, I thought that was a mistake (GB is supposed to the be the easiest nation, after all). GB should also have a gold/silver producing port inside their safe zone (closest one is George Town or Les Cayes iirc). 

But the question isn't really what GB should have, it's why should other nations have certain regional resources in safe-zone ports. I go back to, as long as it is available in an equal or greater number of capturable ports, it doesn't really make a difference game-play wise, and gives some incentive for playing those nations (other than just I'm going to be uber l337 playing hard-mode nation x). 

It does make a difference, why doesn't GB have royal navy grads and rigging in our safe zone then?   If the good wood had to be moved out of safezones why wouldn't the rare module components which are harder to come by be moved also?   While in the safezone you are guaranteed access to the item and it cannot be taken from you..  If one nation has such access all nations should.  At present GB has no guaranteed access to any rare module component while other nations do.   

Much like Cartagena, all items like it should be captureable and not guaranteed available to a nation.

 

The other option would be to make each 'national' module component locked behind a safezone and outside the safezone equally.   So french get a port with sailcloth, GB get rigging, etc and then have ports outside carry the item as well.  But then the cries will be about balance...

 

Easier just to move ALL module components outside safezones and be captureable. 

 

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9 minutes ago, SKurj said:

It does make a difference, why doesn't GB have royal navy grads and rigging in our safe zone then?   If the good wood had to be moved out of safezones why wouldn't the rare module components which are harder to come by be moved also?   While in the safezone you are guaranteed access to the item and it cannot be taken from you..  If one nation has such access all nations should.  At present GB has no guaranteed access to any rare module component while other nations do.   

Much like Cartagena, all items like it should be captureable and not guaranteed available to a nation.

 

The other option would be to make each 'national' module component locked behind a safezone and outside the safezone equally.   So french get a port with sailcloth, GB get rigging, etc and then have ports outside carry the item as well.  But then the cries will be about balance...

 

Easier just to move ALL module components outside safezones and be captureable. 

 

GB can build ships in spades though with what is in their safezone (exception being gold/silver, which I already said needs fixed). 

Cartegena has 1 port that produces it, if it was in a safe zone, I would concede your point, but it's not. The reason the woods were moves was because all but cedar and 2 wo/lo ports were inside safezones, severely limiting access to them. (again, Montego Bay should still produce teak. In fact, none of the islands should produce fir or oak, they should be teak, cedar, and mahogany, and the system set up to produce components out of oak or teak, fir or cedar as avail).

but with the upgrade resources, either equal number or more of ports for each are capturable, which means no single nation is able to monopolize access by virtue of a safe zone. Therefore, that any nation may have a single port inside their zone that produces 1 of these materials is a plus for that nation, but not at the expense of another (it's not a zero-sum game in this respect). 

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This isn't specifically about GB, its about nations having protected access to module upgrades, it should either be shared out equally so every nation gets protected access or every nation gets none.

Inside Safezone:

Diplome de l'ecole d'artillerie

French sail cloth

Grietje van dijk

swedish carpenters

 

Also think a better method of distribution around the map wouldn't hurt  these components.  I don't know if the plan is to maintain this current shipwreck loot table, it is impacting the rarity of these modules thankfully.

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11 hours ago, SKurj said:

This isn't specifically about GB, its about nations having protected access to module upgrades, it should either be shared out equally so every nation gets protected access or every nation gets none.

Inside Safezone:

Diplome de l'ecole d'artillerie

Available at Cap-Francais, San Jose, Sale-Trou, and Basse-Terre. Each of those ports are held by a different nation. So 4 nations, in addition to Frence (Barataria) have a port that produces this.

11 hours ago, SKurj said:

French sail cloth

Available at Saint Marys and La Navasse. Again, each held by a different nation, so 2 nations other than France (Atchafalaya) have a port that produces this

11 hours ago, SKurj said:

Grietje van dijk

Oranjestad (swedish). 

11 hours ago, SKurj said:

swedish carpenters

Sinamaica (DK),  Amalianborg (DK), Saint Johns (SV), The Settlement (DK), Island Harbor (SW) So 2 nations that are allied control virtually all of this resource (except Fort Zoutman in VP). 

11 hours ago, SKurj said:

 

Also think a better method of distribution around the map wouldn't hurt  these components.  I don't know if the plan is to maintain this current shipwreck loot table, it is impacting the rarity of these modules thankfully.

The ports inside the safe zones are not hurting availability of these resources on the map (1 for each of them, 2 FR and 2 VP). It's a solution without a problem imo. 

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