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Patch 22: Patrol BR limits, Grape fix and Planking mechanics improvements

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11 minutes ago, rediii said:

Option is to stop and board the little ship

But then again he was probably on lowcrew already

Which one of the three?

And probably while you are boarding one, the other two are graping your ass.

 

It is funny that, in NA, a light ship small cannons can decrew a 88 guns ship. On Trafalgar, the stern rakes were made by ships with, at least, 74 guns. Not frigates either other small ships.

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1 hour ago, rediii said:

Moral is a normal thing in NA. The issue was more that too many pve players took/take part in these rvr actions so they get discouraged fast because their motivation is to get the upgrade etc and not the fight or win or impovement itself. These guys didn't enjoy the battles and came only to win. A team of 10 active players can right now do a lot of rvr but there are none of these players left atm. I guess because there is no reason to capture a port anymore except to get a fight. The meaning behind a port is important for players.

I agree and I dont agree. I agree because personally I enjoyed the flagmechanic a lot more when it was not used for fakeflags because it was easy, simple and fast pvp with a lot of OW pvp. I would love to test a flagmechanic with todays roe and br shield together with pvp marks that you get trough the pvp event.

People might not like it because they have to be online to defend and cant just come online for the portbattle or because they could lose sruff when they are not online but I think it adds to the feeling and dynamic of RvR. The best moments in NA in recent months was when we defended against hostility or if we got attacked while doing it in carta. It is just more fun than planning several days ahead. Just get online form a fleet and attack some guys. Was a nice mechanic.

PvE grind now isnt that bad if 10 guys do it.

For a lot of people cost is a factor. Not everyone is loaded with gold and mats because some nations, like GB, doesn't have any teak ports for instance. There's only so long poor players can keep throwing ships away before they go "bugger it".

Aye a fight is good but taking Cartagena is one thing, keeping it is quite another. Why bother going to the expense of trying to take Cartagena when you'll likely have it taken from you in a week or so even if you do by some fluke win in the first place? It's a lot easier just to get someone from Sweden to buy the tar.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

It is funny that, in NA, a light ship small cannons can decrew a 88 guns ship. On Trafalgar, the stern rakes were made by ships with, at least, 74 guns. Not frigates either other small ships.

Prince cannot decrew an AFK ship - it will still have 20-30% of crew left
if BUC had DD (determined defender) they wont even be able to board

If BUC lets princes hug himself, he made a huge mistake. But it is correctable - He should have stopped and boarded one of them. then moved on. 

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3 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

It is funny that, in NA, a light ship small cannons can decrew a 88 guns ship. On Trafalgar, the stern rakes were made by ships with, at least, 74 guns. Not frigates either other small ships.

I think you will find that the reason frigates did not stern-rake at trafalgar was because frigates weren’t involved in the fight.

the smallest ship to do any effective raking at the battle of Trafalgar that I know of was the 64-gun Agamemnon when it was engaged with the Santi.

there are numerous examples of frigates stern-raking SotLs in smaller engagements.

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9 minutes ago, Przemo said:

 

There is a solution. The longer big ship turn the faster he turns.

https://gyazo.com/65c9b344f639249a6abad39843832851

no
turning is based on ship hull stats. To improve BUC turn rate over prince we have to make BUC - 20 meters long

Are you suggesting to shorten all ships of the line, and reduce their keel depth?

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Just now, Percival Merewether said:

I think you will find that the reason frigates did not stern-rake at trafalgar was because frigates weren’t involved in the fight.

the smallest ship to do any effective raking at the battle of Trafalgar that I know of was the 64-gun Agamemnon when it was engaged with the Santi.

there are numerous examples of frigates stern-raking SotLs in smaller engagements.

one of them the famous battle of British frigate against Generoux who decrewed a French 74. He still lost the battle for other reasons but was knighted for trying. 

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1 minute ago, Percival Merewether said:

Creo que descubrirás que la razón por la cual las fragatas no hicieron popa en Trafalgar fue porque las fragatas no estuvieron involucradas en la lucha.

el barco más pequeño para hacer cualquier rastrillo efectivo en la batalla de Trafalgar que yo sepa era el Agamemnon de 64 cañones cuando estaba involucrado con los Santi.

hay numerosos ejemplos de fragatas SotLs severas en compromisos más pequeños.

hahaha, you are very funny, ask the frigates who faced the Glorious.

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1 minute ago, admin said:

one of them the famous battle of British frigate against Generoux who decrewed a French 74. He still lost the battle for other reasons but was knighted for trying. 

Exceptions admin.

In NA is the norm.

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ohhh, I forgot to comment something else, maybe in the eighteenth century they did not have the problem of the 15 degrees angulation of the guns to hurt the small boats.

 

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1 minute ago, Intrepido said:

Exceptions admin.

In NA is the norm.

We are all brave ;-)

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5 minutes ago, Percival Merewether said:

I think you will find that the reason frigates did not stern-rake at trafalgar was because frigates weren’t involved in the fight.

the smallest ship to do any effective raking at the battle of Trafalgar that I know of was the 64-gun Agamemnon when it was engaged with the Santi.

there are numerous examples of frigates stern-raking SotLs in smaller engagements.

or perhaps because a broadside or a musket volley from a 74 to a frigate will turn it into pieces?

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4 minutes ago, admin said:

 

Can we get marines with muskets shooting at nearby ships' crew? Just make 2-3 dudes per side of the ship ? Maybe some day? 

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7 minutes ago, admin said:

no
turning is based on ship hull stats. To improve BUC turn rate over prince we have to make BUC - 20 meters long

Are you suggesting to shorten all ships of the line, and reduce their keel depth?

You improved A LOT the turn rate of the constitution. Why not Ocean and Buc?

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I mean you can pull everything that you want out of the history books but it won't change the fact that it's game breaking. 

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2 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

or perhaps because a broadside or a musket volley from a 74 to a frigate will turn it into pieces?

That is not the reason why they didn’t stern-rake - that is however the reason why they weren’t part of the engagement. But we can keep on going like this forever.... 

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Can we delete every ship below 3rd rates already? Because that is what everyone obviously wants. -_-

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4 hours ago, rediii said:

There is no active war or something on the server just some single portbattles to get pvp. RvR right now is dead, you can conquer stuff but there is no reason to do it. You either have the ressource already or dont want it, you dont get anything from a pb except VMs you dont need because you already get them.

Maybe prussia is able to motivate people to do hostility to get a battle similar to what they have in the Patrol zone but most others can't. Sweden is or was considered a zerg but the most people we had at hostility in Nippes was 5 and in Bahia Escosesa it was 3.

Maybe only sweden is dead again I don't know. enjoy your RvR (last PB was Samana for you right?)

Sweden doesn't realy need me btw since there is noone joining actions we plan days ahead anyway.

In my reality prussia should go for cartagena. Right now you guys are the strongest RvR nation. Sweden only won in Samana because we used the new meta on a big scale first. (maybe you could even say we exploited the OP thickness)

In this aspect you're right.

This is how RvR could be fix and could start to matter :

PS. We're lucky to have one old prussian clan doing hostility for us. After Samanta we had 2 offensive PB's. 

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A big ship lost to a bunch of small ships it happens everyday in NA, I can see why it would be annoying but you wouldn't be the first or the last to die to a pack of wolves. 

We sank a Bellona with 3 Princes awhile back, he made mistakes. Perhaps see what you can improve before throwing out buffs etc. Everyone makes mistakes. 

However i would like to see marines shooting muskets from the deck also :D 

 

Also liking the changes so far.

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How bout we forget BR for the patrol missions and just count ships.

Ship A tags ship B, 3rd ship in picks team A or Team B, 4th ship goes to smaller team or chooses not to join, and so on........

being on the wrong side of a 5 to 1(or worse) Mollywhop is no fun and a waste of gaming time.

 

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20 minutes ago, admin said:

one of them the famous battle of British frigate against Generoux who decrewed a French 74. He still lost the battle for other reasons but was knighted for trying. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_of_the_Glorioso

What about this?

You can call it a gank, where smaller ships failed to take down a third rate. They finally won when a 92 gun ship joined the fight.

In NA, most captains would fail in the first battle due to curent meta in game mechanics.

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11 minutes ago, Aventador said:

I mean you can pull everything that you want out of the history books but it won't change the fact that it's game breaking. 

Any ship can be destroyed by any ship if not used properly. 

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2 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_of_the_Glorioso

What about this?

You can call it a gank, where smaller ships failed to take down a third rate. They finally won when a 92 gun ship joined the fight.

In NA, most captains would fail in the first battle due to curent meta in game mechanics.

Battle results topic is full of examples like that. Gloriouso captain was skilled and used his ship properly
I guarantee that if lets say Ram Dinark sailed that BUC the battle would result in 3 dead princes.

@Aventador will learn from his mistakes and will fight differently next time - destroying the light ships attacking him with ease, using his BUC advantages and avoiding disadvantages.

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