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12 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

EDIT: And where is the realism? - demasting is even easier than before! For an event that was rare and decisive in a naval engagement it happens at an alarming frequency in the game and is anything but realistic.

it was not rare at all, in fact majority of battles ended up with full or partial demasts
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16 minutes ago, Navalus Magnus said:

@admin

Can you confirm, that these values are true?

... And if so, would you also admit that you had fun, throwing the dice to get these BRs ... while drinking a good bottle of wine!?

 

please dont insinuate. 
BR is based on hp and sustained dps, formulas dont throw dice. 

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3 minutes ago, admin said:

it was not rare at all, in fact majority of battles full or partial demasts
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Partial - yes, but you made full demast now very likely to happen more often again. My essex was demasted by NPC Connie within 10-15 minutes and I was down to mizzen mast. I couldn't control the ship, it was turning into the wind all the time. Rudder was too weak to keep it straight, manual sails didn't help. I am sure that ship with one mast could behave differently, but please verify it too. Ship was out of control, nothing could stop it from turning into the irons... I just dropped all sails to 0% and waited.

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11 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

I was happy for a BR change finally and then I saw the BR list and I couldn't help but laugh.

The BR spread is so wonky and it's now smaller.....it should be larger. I believe the BR spread should go up to 800. This would allow better balancing.

With a BR spread of up to 600 it's almost always going to be "I could bring X, but Y is better for only Z increase in BR."

I would even use 1000

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@admin Any news on when the Rattlesnake is going to make its glorious re-entry into NA as a player(-crafted) ship? It is a crying shame that such a beautiful and lovely little full-rig ship, the only one we had from memory (compared to the other Brig & Snow-rigged 6th Rates), disappeared and has been absent for quite some time whilst we're left with the ahistorical 'Heavy' Rattlesnake?

Liking the look of an updated UI. Please keep us posted!

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Just now, admin said:

please dont insinuate. 
BR is based on hp and sustained dps, formulas dont throw dice. 

No offense intended, sorry if it was too much!

Just wanted to express something of my surprise!

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4 minutes ago, admin said:

it was not rare at all, in fact majority of battles ended up with full or partial demasts
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Those are fleet engagement with a shitload of more guns than those of the individual engagements..

EDIT: And the engagements mostly lasted longer than those we have in NA.

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1 minute ago, rediii said:

I would even use 1000

That is what I would wish but thought it would be "too drastic" for some.

I would think with a BR spread of up to 1,000 would also lead us to ask for a BR limit change on ports.

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6 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

Those are fleet engagement with a shitload of more guns than those of the individual engagements..

 

No Captain. 
Solo engagement had same % of demasting in sustained combat.

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But there is always a counter. You can fit your ship against similar opponents to never get fully demasted. You cant against much heavier ships. 

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39 minutes ago, Batman said:

He doesn't know because he always runs away in his Endymion. No need to turn then

 You must be refering that day Hachi was after me with 3 more guys (I bet you were one of them) SW of Carlisle. Sorry, but I don't fight gank parties, it's a matter of survival. You can ask Jorge, he knows me.

 But I'll fight you 1vs1 equal ships any day, I promisse I won't run. You and your clan of upstarts made many good players leave Britain and hate that nation to point of promisses to never go back, with your arrogance and elitism. 

 This have nothing to do with the patch topic but you forced me to give an answer.

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7 minutes ago, admin said:

No Captain. 
Solo engagement had same % of demasting in sustained combat.

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But there is always a counter. You can fit your ship against similar opponents to never get fully demasted. You cant against much heavier ships. 

Paintings are not exactly the best source of reference since they were often made for dramatical purposes AND they were often painted exactly for their decisive nature.. Combat reports from RN or other navies are far more accurate..

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1 hour ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Can we get an official list and have ports BR ratings change.  The list some one posted seems off 

This list is taken from the games database and should be correct (I only made an error on the LGV Refit). All the ships we have seen today is correct according to the list

It can be found as spreadsheet here as well: 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1znngzQBj6DHuYNHsYeh-Mw9fzHVYV6AlqzSjLaKOfAU/edit#gid=0

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How accurate are the paintings to present the historical accuracy? Did painters participate in these battles and sail on those ships during combat?

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5 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

How accurate are the paintings to present the historical accuracy? Did painters participate in these battles and sail on those ships during combat?

Google Nicholas Pockock and open images. This guy was on the Combat ship during Glorious First of June. 

There was another painted with a very complex french name. he was also a combat photographer painter. 
He also is famous for his after Trafalgar battle damage album
Ship that took raking damage 
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(that we like to link and talk about when people ask us why we dont have huge holes in hull like in Total war). 

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Regarding BR

The formula needs some minor tweaks to incorporate Spike damage, and dps at 500m. That will make it perfect and will fix some strange differences.

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11 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

How accurate are the paintings to present the historical accuracy? Did painters participate in these battles and sail on those ships during combat?

Ambroise Louis Garneray before being a painter was a sailor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambroise_Louis_Garneray

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2 minutes ago, admin said:

Regarding BR

The formula needs some minor tweaks to incorporate Spike damage, and dps at 500m. That will make it perfect and will fix some strange differences.

Spike damage = broadside weight???

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1 minute ago, admin said:

Regarding BR

The formula needs some minor tweaks to incorporate Spike damage, and dps at 500m. That will make it perfect and will fix some strange differences.

Consider also, if it possible, the hull shape of ships. Some of them are very easy to pen, others much harder.

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5 minutes ago, admin said:

Regarding BR

The formula needs some minor tweaks to incorporate Spike damage, and dps at 500m. That will make it perfect and will fix some strange differences.

Thats sound like BR calc for an arena game like NAL but in my opinion it doesnt fit to NA.

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I was surprised to see the Santisima with the higher BR to be honest. It has a lot of guns for sure but it's not as resistant to shots as the Ocean.

Most of the time survivability of a 1st rate is as important (if not more) than its DPS

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59 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

Paintings are not exactly the best source of reference since they were often made for dramatical purposes AND they were often painted exactly for their decisive nature.. Combat reports from RN or other navies are far more accurate..

So did you, err, read any combat reports?

It's basically unheard-of for two frigates to get in a fight without at least a topmast coming down. If nobody was dismasted, it's probably because one side got totally crushed in 15 minutes.

Of course, even when Chesapeake was captured in 15 minutes, the decisive factor was rig damage. Her jibs were shredded and she luffed up to get boarded.

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