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1 minute ago, victor said:

No they arent .... because they are a limited resource (wasa were a meta because you could craft as many as you wanted, poods were a one shot gift).

So, see ... argument/counter argument.

I stop here.

I stop aswell and just pood you away everytime we see eachother. :D

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1 minute ago, rediii said:

1sts have the firepower but a 3rd can fight againdt it on broadside. Thats uow it should be in my oppinion

Agreed - 2nd and 3rd rates and (64 gun 3rds) should also received some structure love - none sank easily and they all sat in the line whereas frigates did not as they would be wrecked too fast.

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Just now, rediii said:

I stop aswell and just pood you away everytime we see eachother. :D

Ok, I will counterpood then :P

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The Wasa is effectively craftable still for those who have PvP marks and edinorogs can't be replaced but are still OP - and I don't like non- craftable ships.

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With the new thickness, HP became the issue.

In my view, first, second and third rates should have more HP to make them stand against superfrigates and fourth rates. Im talking about a little buff of 1500hp.

 

If not, we are going to see almost always fleet compositions of a lot of fourth rates. Small but heavy groups wont stand a chance against big groups, which destroys one of the objectives of the BR system in PB.

 

Edited by Intrepido

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At first it scared me how easily a surprise with its cute 9 and 6 pounders could pen. my "Not-so-bouncy-poule" now. But I think its better overall now.

In general I do think the main problem was the thickness of lineships; seems more balanced now

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I think thickness and penetration are fine - e.g. 3rd rates stand a chance against 1st rates again!

Questionable imo is, if you want to lower the damage of cannons or increase the hp of ships!?

Why? ... well, I think ships didn’t sink that quick in battles in the age of sail. 

As far as I know most struck thier colours after they suffered heavy crew losses or got boarded.

Please correct me if i‘m wrong!

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You are right. But we do not have morale in place across the entire engagement. Ship crews were battered into submission not the ship.

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6 minutes ago, Rouleur said:

Without sides the crew is more easily battered but more structure hp makes them stay afloat longer.

Yes, that's the game we play.

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Hull thickness changes are great. With a few balancing changes to some ships or their BR the variety in PBs will even increase!

Pavel, Ingermanland, 3rd Rate and more are basically dead content right now. Also its a shame we only have one 3rd rate.

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Ok I am mostly a shopkeeper...  but with the new changes I found facing a Pavel in Flag Captains missions much easier than before.  I was able to demast it by raking through the back windows too which was a surprise, and this was using medium guns in a Bellona.

 

On a sidenote though holy hell those AI boarders...  

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2 hours ago, Havelock said:

Hull thickness changes are great. With a few balancing changes to some ships or their BR the variety in PBs will even increase!

Pavel, Ingermanland, 3rd Rate and more are basically dead content right now. Also its a shame we only have one 3rd rate.

3 more third rates will come. However, do not expect them any time soon.

Montañes, Temerarie and Wreker.

Edited by Intrepido

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4 hours ago, Intrepido said:

With the new thickness, HP became the issue.

In my view, first, second and third rates should have more HP to make them stand against superfrigates and fourth rates. Im talking about a little buff of 1500hp.

 

If not, we are going to see almost always fleet compositions of a lot of fourth rates. Small but heavy groups wont stand a chance against big groups, which destroys one of the objectives of the BR system in PB.

 

Exactly this!

Although I would say „all ships of the line“ should have significantly more hp than the others - including the Agamemnon!

Edited by Navalus Magnus

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Penetration is in a very good place now. Alpha damage is once against possible without extreme close range. It's a nice change to be able to sink down enemies instead of the slow whittle and evade/repair cycle.

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IMHO the Wasa "lost" a bit too much (could use about 3-5cm more). But the rest is just fine as it is now. And yes, 1 pood are very strong. But they are limited in numbers and sink every day...

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I’ve found thickness to be great. I don’t sail anything larger than a 4th rate, but I’ve fought some 3rd rates, and everything seems very correct.

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some time has passed so players got a hold of a new thickness. 

any new thoughts?

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On 8-2-2018 at 12:59 AM, blademage said:

IMHO the Wasa "lost" a bit too much (could use about 3-5cm more). But the rest is just fine as it is now. And yes, 1 pood are very strong. But they are limited in numbers and sink every day...

i disagree

the wasa is still a op ship and needs still  a nerf on many aspects of the ship it's still a devil in disguise 

perhaps you lose your  wasa to other big ships what gives you that idea...

it is sitting way better now than it was before...

you can use additional planking to solve your problem

Edited by Thonys

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8 minutes ago, admin said:

some time has passed so players got a hold of a new thickness. 

any new thoughts?

Not terrible, I've honestly not noticed much difference from a frigate point of view.  I think what made the difference is while you lowered the thickness, you did not increase the pen of the guns. (for the most part) In the past you've had a history of changing both sides of the equation (combat mark reward/cost to name just one). But I think in its current state, the hull thickness is good.

I will say as well, the change meant if you wanted to go fir/fir then you have to sacrifice something. It has certainly help with ship/build specialisation again.

Edited by NethrosDefectus

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9 minutes ago, admin said:

some time has passed so players got a hold of a new thickness. 

any new thoughts?

With the new HP balance, right now it looks ok, more or less.

However in my view, the gap between frigates and ships of the line is a bit thin. 

Endymion has 57cm while ingermanland, 59cm. Maybe 2-3cm more of difference wouldnt hurt.

Edited by Intrepido

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2 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

With the new HP balance, right now it looks ok, more or less.

However in my view, the gap between frigates and ships of the line is a bit thin. 

Endymion has 57cm while ingermanland, 59cm. Maybe 2-3cm more of difference wouldnt hurt.

Yes, I agree. The latest HP changes are really good. It's compliments the thicknesses well.

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5 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

With the new HP balance, right now it looks ok, mor.

However in my view, the gap between frigates and ships of the line is a bit thin. 

Endymion has 57cm while ingermanland, 59cm. Maybe 2-3cm more of difference wouldnt hurt.

but than the endymion will lose  speed (one of the key elements for that ship)

use a other wood 

and put planking on your ship and the gap is closed 

 

and i am not even talking about cartagena tar ...

ships differ , just a know fact

 

Edited by Thonys

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Had some PvP battles and i feel like the thickness of 5th rates is a little bit low. Teak/White Oak Trinc still gets damaged at 30° angle. It that might just be the Edinorogs fault.

Angling against 32pd is almost impossible. Maybe its okay, considering im comparing a 5th rate to a 3rd rate. It feels unrewarding though to get in the perfect position at a 3rds stern but then still get obliterated by a 20° double broadside...

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