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Since the rewards for PVP kills are so high (such as speed mod) and can be obtained only with pvp marks I am sure we will see even more abuse as the time goes.

Edited by Louis Garneray

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16 minutes ago, Louis Garneray said:

Since the rewards for PVP kills are so high (such as speed mod) and can be obtained only with pvp marks I am sure we will see even more abuse as the time goes.

A good reason to only have cosmetic items redeemable for PvP-marks (and make them convertible into Combat-marks with a favourable conversion rate).

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1 hour ago, Peter Goldman said:

Public shaming is the way to prevent exploiting. Get burnt in front of the entire NA community hurts 100x more than some warning, confiscation or demotion.

Report whatever you feel necessary with F11.

No witch hunt please. Some self annointed Inquisitors back in the day were also burnt at the stake.

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A single case... Shouldn't be used to change the whole system. With a new system it's much easier to convince people to participate in pvp. 

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1 minute ago, The Red Duke said:

Report whatever you feel necessary with F11.

No witch hunt please. Some self annointed Inquisitors back in the day were also burnt at the stake.

I do report to Devs and @admin can confirm. What I expect is Devs to publish official list of exploiters.That is a common practice used by some game developers.

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6 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

I do report to Devs and @admin can confirm. What I expect is Devs to publish official list of exploiters.That is a common practice used by some game developers.

Sure. You've made your point in the very first reply to the OP.

This is not a debate. No naming other than what admin decides. Glad we understand each other in less than perfect english.

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7 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

I do report to Devs and @admin can confirm. What I expect is Devs to publish official list of exploiters.That is a common practice used by some game developers.

I bet most of us asking for making names public want that: NRW-schafft-Sichtschutzwaende-gegen-Gaff

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1 minute ago, z4ys said:

 

Yes and it works perfectly fine. Illegal actions have serious consequences. I would never accept to my clan an exploiter or alt-farmer. How can I know that if Devs keep it secret? In real life before you get accepted for a job, serious employers request a certificate of criminal conviction. 

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Just now, Peter Goldman said:

serious employers request a certificate of criminal conviction. 

Especially if they work in bank robbing...

Otherwise employers like employees with no criminal records. :P:D

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6 minutes ago, The Red Duke said:

Analogy is moot. This is not a job, unless you are a Game Labs Naval Action developer.

This is not a job, but we play with humans. I don't want to play in one clan with players breaking and exploiting game rules with criminal past, stealing resources from clan warehouse... Trust is a resource on shortage and very limited supply.

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Yes. Maybe then suggest something different - have the admin PM the clan leaders in regards of any players being affected.

Does that sound more interesting to you as a clan leader ? I mean, I am sure if your clan would be affected by this, as you are asking for public names, you'd be very happy with the associated negativity posted even if it was a situation out of your control :) 

Careful what you wish for.

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Telling clan leaders will have same effect than telling all. I can`t see the point here. Let devs deal with this as they want and if reply nobody can say there was no warning...tricky part is a definition of "friends"...

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2 hours ago, Peter Goldman said:

There is a player called [...] and after he gets sank, he comes back in another ship and keeps fighting. One day he lost like 6 ships during 2 hours, including Pavel.

Well if it was in two hours they may have been disappointed to the yield..... I'd like these cases to be free of rumour mongering..

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2 hours ago, Peter Goldman said:

I am not accusing a player, he is just stubborn and keeps fighting (not alt). He gets killed all the time with "recently killed" tag, but I bet sooner or later someone will accuse him of being an alt.

On the side note, farming can be done without "recently killed" and Combat News. Player needs to surrender and it looks all clear. No recently killed status, no combat news and another player gets 100% rewards. The current system has a loophole allowing farming.

Ehm.. I should read the entire thread....

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Just now, Bearwall said:

Ehm.. I should read the entire thread....

I was making a point that if a player gets killed multiple times in short time, it doesn't mean it's alt farming so mechanics preventing it can ruin PvP.

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Just now, Peter Goldman said:

I was making a point that if a player gets killed multiple times in short time, it doesn't mean it's alt farming so mechanics preventing it can ruin PvP.

Yeah.. As I said.. I should read the entire thread.. Srry 'bout that..

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@admin This is just a thought, but since alt-farming has been a punishable offence for quite a while, and the practice of demotion has been used in the past. Wouldn't it make more sense to administer the same punishment to all players, regardless if it's a clan, sorry for the inconvenience, or a single player, or seven in this case? As I see it very few players can claim not to know that alt farming is against the rules and the farming belittles the effort of others that enjoy the accomplishment from the battles.

 

EDIT: And if it isn't alt-farming but due to an agreement between the players, the ruling from the french/sorry portbattle should still be in effect - farming.

Edited by Bearwall

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Hmmm... currently checked, didn't receive any notification in my game account and my marks hold is intact - but i should be on the list.

@Pagan Pete : Please insert one of your great sentences to shame as famous last words ;-)

Reason: Made with a befriended player some duels to have PVP fun without toxicity and for training (just beginning PVP), and got PVP Marks on this way - a nice to have side-effect, i hereby admit. It was my idea, so keep the other guy out of this. As a consequence and to keep my honour I deleted the player (same name as forum) by myself and taking a break from NA. 

For my usual habit of playing games it was a extraordinary long time, playing different styles since August 2016. And even if part of my play instinct is still itching to try the new port battle rule set, level out some more ships or battle some old friends one more time - but it's currently to complicated or restricted imho: no outlaw battles any more; more and more restrictions when, who and where to engage; PVE- vs. PVP-camp war; RvR vs. solo hunt usw. 

The simple sail out, sank and get sunk, meet friends, talk, smuggle, trade, explore where and what you want is currently out-of-favor - within the devs AND the player community. 

But i would imagine that's a necessary phase in the development process of a MMO (especially pre-release), you have to decide for a ruleset, the framework all game mechanics have to fit in so this should not be a bitter parting - especially i won't give NA a bad review. As a EA it's tremendous fun especially for people who like constant change and always discover new things (good and bad, that's the nature of EA). An it's GOING TO BE a great game, i'm sure - and i will check this after release, at last... Please hurry, devs! ;-)

Always six feet water under your keel!

Bragan Benigaris

tl;dr: It was me - shame me, but creative! ;-)

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6 hours ago, admin said:

Farming marks of friends is against the spirit of PVP and captains who are doing it should know that it might lead to full account reset on all servers. 

7 players have received the warnings and had all their mark holdings (combat and pvp) confiscated. If reported again those captains will be demoted to lowest ranks.

Very very nice. Thank you for your effort. Good job. PvP marks are so good to promote PvP but alt / friend abuse farming is cancer that ruins it.... Please keep it up.

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This didnt happen when we had only combat marks.

Any game mechanic which requires this kind of surveillance should be removed. 

Why add again features that promote exploiting? It only gives headaches, toxicity and a bad game experience.

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for the love of god.....why are pvp marks back in the game.  It was an alt farming fest last time....it's an alt farming / ganking fest this time.  As long as there are special items that you can purchase that improve PVP, players will abuse mechanics to get them. 

If we have to have PVP marks, make them for cosmetic items only.  Paints, flags....ships names.

 

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On 11/9/2017 at 7:03 AM, Powderhorn said:

I am not a part of any of the investigations or the metrics for what constituted farming, however, I would suggest something like this:

Sink a player once, good on you.

Sink a player twice, bad on him.

Sink a player thrice, something might be afoot.

I highly doubt that any warnings or asset seizures were unwarranted.

Yah I have reported some one when the wipe first happen and combat news popped up cause the same guy showed up almost every hour on the hour sinking a nation in waters far from where that nation should be.  So it's not hard to figure the folks out if you just watch the combat news a bit.

On 11/9/2017 at 7:06 AM, rediii said:

I think devs know it best because they can actually create statistics with the logs.

Namings would probably just lead to toxicity and accusations in the future

 

Naming and Shamming has never been a good thing on any games.  Than folks start to point fingers and accusing folks of things even if they never have done them just cause they hang out or part of a clan. We seen plenty of that on here.  Hell I turned in many a chat +reports for folks saying I'm  cheater and such and I wasn't involved in a port battle or fight they brought up over and over. Nothing was done for there actions and I just see no reason to add to such toxic players.

Sir Cheater Sir is not my name by the way folks and never was....but I was called that many times on global chat cause of something I wasn't even involved in.

On 11/9/2017 at 7:45 AM, The Red Duke said:

"recently sunk" should be a clue Captains. 

Players that keep practicing combat will buy another ship at store and come out to fight again.

Now step back and re-address your future posts pointing individual players. Uncalled for and won't allow it.

CombatNews should have a +report feature for when you see something fishy, but you can always do what I have done.  Open that screen do a F11 and send a message about suspected abuse of the system.  Haven't done it in a while  but did do it right after the wipe.  Than it's in the Dev's hands after that.

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There are two tribunal topics in the last 24h. Where people saying they were doing duells with former clanmates. Or stuff like that. Who will think there stays some other things behind that, like we want test some things only negativ thinking people woud say such a bad thing. 

Sry for me is it like alt Farming. If they want test some things they coud stop before one of them sinks.     

But who am i.

Edited by Lucius Esox

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