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One of the reason why I joined pirate nation together with 40 other players were outlaw battles:

1. We could duel each other (duel room removed)

2. We could kill these that insult/offend us. Pirate nation was one with the clear nation chat. Here one does not simply insults everyone, otherwise he gets killed. Respect.

3. You could kill alts/spies. Something you can't do as national. Another nation handicap issue...

4. We could "trade" in battle. Exploit? No, just game is handicapped. We could capture our main ships or fleet ships or share repairs etc.

Question to @admin:

How is pirate nation any different from other nations? Blueprints and permits for pirate frigates and LGVs are traded/purchased on alts, no raids, nothing special. Just a black flag and lots of children that wanna be pirates.

Question 2:

What exploits were used with outlaw battles? There are no exploits, battles are open always for everyone. Only issue I see is that these battles are limited to 26 players, not 50.

Edited by Peter Goldman

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51 minutes ago, admin said:

you can sail in outlaw battles and sail very far so any joining would be useless.

This.  

Sorry.  It was abused ad-nauseum.  

And there are many many more ways outlaw battles were abused/gamed etc.  

 

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12 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

One of the reason why I joined pirate nation together with 40 other players were outlaw battles:

1. We could duel each other (duel room removed)

2. We could kill these that insult/offend us. Pirate nation was one with the clear nation chat. Here one does not simply insults everyone, otherwise he gets killed. Respect.

3. You could kill alts/spies. Something you can't do as national. Another nation handicap issue...

4. We could "trade" in battle. Exploit? No, just game is handicapped. We could capture our main ships or fleet ships or share repairs etc.

Question to @admin:

How is pirate nation any different from other nations? Blueprints and permits for pirate frigates and LGVs are traded/purchased on alts, no raids, nothing special. Just a black flag and lots of children that wanna be pirates.

Question 2:

What exploits were used with outlaw battles? There are no exploits, battles are open always for everyone. Only issue I see is that these battles are limited to 26 players, not 50.

That is why ships must be restricted to Nation, same tactic used in potbs where you will get your ship flagged if you capture rates from nationals. Same needed here, instead Nationals won't be able to sail pirate refits and vise versa. We had system 'bring to admiralty for cash'. where is it? It can be ideal now. 

Skirm room is needed to satisfy all who miss outlaw battles. 

Pirates will need Raids to make them unique. (Instead of permanent port capture, hold it for 7 days and release back to original owner. 7 days is enough to suck out resources to rebuild fleet and so on...)

Edited by George Washington

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22 minutes ago, admin said:

What was always the point of pirates? Rob traders and officers of national navies. 
Capture and rob cartagena?

First we need players that are trading in the OW...

26 minutes ago, admin said:

There is no big picture in mechanics that don't work. The fact that they worked for you does not mean anything for the big picture.
New orders received: Pirates should fight nationals. 

 

LOL ordering pirates.. you really are just trying to make them another nation instead of pyrates.

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2 minutes ago, Hodo said:

First we need players that are trading in the OW...

LOL ordering pirates.. you really are just trying to make them another nation instead of pyrates.

If you watched black sails, only small gangs went against each other. Most were united against British. I say Skirm room will be enough to resolve small gang wars. 

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If you're going to remove outlaw battles forever, it's time to give us another forged papers.  As @Peter Goldman mentioned above, outlaw battles were one of the primary reasons my clan also went from Brit to Pirate.  We were tired of the bickering in nation chat and not being able to do anything about it.  Now that option is off the table, and it doesn't look like you're implementing clan wars anytime soon.....we really have no reason to be pirate anymore.  

Issue another round of forged papers please.  

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21 minutes ago, JG14_Cuzn said:

This.  

Sorry.  It was abused ad-nauseum.  

And there are many many more ways outlaw battles were abused/gamed etc.  

 

Abused more than national alts and battles that close (and disappear) meaning that you can't even see that someone is hiding inside?  Why would anyone even bother with an outlaw battle to accomplish such an exploit?

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1 minute ago, Christendom said:

If you're going to remove outlaw battles forever, it's time to give us another forged papers.  As @Peter Goldman mentioned above, outlaw battles were one of the primary reasons my clan also went from Brit to Pirate.  We were tired of the bickering in nation chat and not being able to do anything about it.  Now that option is off the table, and it doesn't look like you're implementing clan wars anytime soon.....we really have no reason to be pirate anymore.  

Issue another round of forged papers please.  

+1 for new forged paper please

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6 minutes ago, George Washington said:

If you watched black sails, only small gangs went against each other. Most were united against British. I say Skirm room will be enough to resolve small gang wars. 

Black Sails was fiction, fantasy, about as realistic as Pirates of the Caribbean "Curse of the Black Pearl".

And Black Sails actually takes place about 100 years before this game, during the height of piracy in the region around 1700.

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42 minutes ago, admin said:

New orders received: Pirates should fight nationals. 

 

This is exactly 100% what I've done as British player. You know the difference? I couldn't kill alts, spies, toxic players. For me being a pyrate means FREEDOM.

Sincerely, I am rejecting your order as a free pyrate.

New order received: Devs should fix 100% spies/alts immunity.

In reality if a spy/alt got exposed, he would be hanged or expelled from society. Here? I can say in chat that I am enemy alt and be 100% safe. I can follow Royal Navy on a basic cutter and spy all their top secret operations and guess what? They can't touch me. 100% safety and immunity.

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2 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

This is exactly 100% what I've done as British player. You know the difference? I couldn't kill alts, spies, toxic players. For me being a pyrate means FREEDOM.

Sincerely, I am rejecting your order as a free pyrate.

New order received: Devs should fix 100% spies/alts immunity.

In reality if a spy/alt got exposed, he would be hanged or expelled from society. Here? I can say in chat that I am enemy alt and be 100% safe. I can follow Royal Navy on a basic cutter and spy all their top secret operations and guess what? They can't touch me. 100% safety and immunity.

Freedom is not in Pirates anymore. Freedom is in german russian and poland nations. 

Edited by George Washington

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I guess it's time to roll around with a US or Spanish alt in our pirate fleets to tag and hide in battle like the rest of the nationals do on global.  

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Just now, George Washington said:

Freedom is not in Pirates anymore. Freedom is in russian and poland nations. 

The whole point, historically and in game, to go pirate was for the freedom.  This is a cop out.

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2 minutes ago, Christendom said:

The whole point, historically and in game, to go pirate was for the freedom.  This is a cop out.

Well maybe Devs have something special for Pirates, we never know. 

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Just now, George Washington said:

Well maybe Devs have something special for Pirates, we never know. 

They don't.  Raids were mentioned a year ago.  So were changes to the pirate mechanics, which turned into outlaw battles.

This is a overcompensating fix to a small problem that should of been dealt with via tribunals and removing the ability to do outlaw battles in reinforcement zones.

#horribledecision

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Just now, George Washington said:

Well maybe Devs have something special for Pirates, we never know. 

They had something special for last 2 years, we ended up with a special idea of PvE Raids and handicapping the nation cutting out the access to SOLs. Nothing more, nothing less.

give-me-freedom.jpg

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2 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

They had something special for last 2 years, we ended up with a special idea of PvE Raids and handicapping the nation cutting out the access to SOLs. Nothing more, nothing less.

give-me-freedom.jpg

Freedom? Not on my watch. :D

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Please give us an outlaw class. Lives out of free towns, can be attacked or attack anyone. Tribunals will be ignored as the person chose outlaw. Let us be the smugglers, dare I say even remove smugglers from everyone else. 

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1 minute ago, Anne Wildcat said:

Please give us an outlaw class. Lives out of free towns, can be attacked or attack anyone. Tribunals will be ignored as the person chose outlaw. Let us be the smugglers, dare I say even remove smugglers from everyone else. 

I like the general idea.. but it should probably be called AltLaw nation, for obvious reasons

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At the opposite end we had this...

1 hour ago, John Cavanaugh said:

aw poor Vile, self proclaimed king.

is that why you abandoned the fight and joined ALOHA to protect you within 24 hours of wardec'ing PLANB? was looking over your shoulder 24/7 a bit taxing for you?

no laws but your laws - tax undock and harass new players out of the faction - pic very much related.

 

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10 minutes ago, Rigs said:

At the opposite end we had this...

 

I'm sorry, but do you see ALOHA hunting rookies or newbies or pirates in general? We have very specified KOS list and you need to try hard to get on it.

Words, plans, assumptions, suggestions, guesses, is that what you're trying to use to make a point?

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1 hour ago, admin said:

actually crafted elite upgrades and pve drops are on same quality or higher

Those PvP purchased upgrades could be stacked with existing PvE upgrades for better performance, could they? Or would that max out the upgrade? Just wondering.  

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18 minutes ago, Anne Wildcat said:

Please give us an outlaw class. Lives out of free towns, can be attacked or attack anyone. Tribunals will be ignored as the person chose outlaw. Let us be the smugglers, dare I say even remove smugglers from everyone else. 

They did give it to us...  it’s just not under the “cool” black flag. It’s under the screaming black chicken, disembodied arm, or blue cross.  

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Just now, Peter Goldman said:

I'm sorry, but do you see ALOHA hunting rookies or newbies or pirates in general? We have very specified KOS list and you need to try hard to get on it.

Words, plans, assumptions, suggestions, guesses, is that what you're trying to use to make a point?

No, facts. Are you speaking for the new players or for yourself? 

What entitles some players to be the server/internet police? Have they purchased the "only for the privilege" copy of the game?

Player enforced discipline mostly favored the big clans and bullies so please sell your propaganda somewhere else.

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