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Hotfix for patch 13. Le Gros Ventre Refit + Swivels!!!

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15 minutes ago, admin said:

you can ignore its sailing profile in the API. For bugged ships speed curves were useless

They were not useless because they were correct.

Whatever the fix was, it made the sailing profile of LGV and refit very crappy and the ship became useless. The fix affected the sailing profile so much, the LGV refit can get caught by most of the ships and it is much slower than normal LGV.

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8 minutes ago, ShroudedRecluse said:

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If you right click that "posted 1 november" and choose "copy link" you can paste the link to that specific post.

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Just now, Rigge1988 said:

If you right click that "posted 1 november" and choose "copy link" you can paste the link to that specific post.

He was trying to prove a point.

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Sorry for the crosspost, but I didn't find the perfect topic. This was checked with current hotfix:

 

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1 hour ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

It's kinda like when folks thought the Type 59 in WoT was so OP.  No it wasn't, the problem was guys like me had it since day one and was running around with a 5 crew maxed out set up and could own any pub noob in a heart beat with it.

Yup!

And the flipside is the T-62 which is super potent in the hands of a good player but stats don't show it since all the baddies drive it en masse and dilute it's stats so it looks average on paper. Kinda like pubbie lineships being taken down by lone Snows to frigates with the following demands to make lineships have a millionbillion marines or swivels firing over the stern to kill the smaller ship's crew.

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Hmm...

From @EliteDelta:

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I presume the above is instance tested, or is it only API based?

Gives me flashbacks to old-old trinco profile that was buggy (instance tested):

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Not the drastic dip, to be shure, but still...

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@jodgi I haven't tested fully in-game yet. However we have checked a few key points, such as 60 and 75 degrees, and saw speed dips from what it was yesterday.

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1 hour ago, Rigge1988 said:

Sure, and I want to get some more context?

you need more context on what? he showed you 2 types proof to counteract what you were saying. Showing you the fact that admin has said twice, outlaw battles will never be back

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Just got home from work to see the bad news. LGV Refit was quickly becoming my favorite ship because of its great sailing profile. Yes, manual sails were bugged but sailing profile shouldn't have been affected in the fix (IMO). I feel everything has been said already, so I will just say that I hope this gets fixed soon!

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1 hour ago, Callaghan92 said:

you need more context on what? he showed you 2 types proof to counteract what you were saying. Showing you the fact that admin has said twice, outlaw battles will never be back

Oh, nevermind. I helped myself. Thank you anyway.

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6 hours ago, z4ys said:

The question is why can a pLGV be nerfed asap (only a few are using it). But the Wasa is still racing to the moon (a lot of people are using it)

I think it simply is their intention for Wasa to be broken. They know enough about their game and ship stats to see it... The fact that is is the only ship in game with 10 chaser guns and the base speed of a constitution already gives away that they want it to be the OW meta but at least everyone has access to it being relatively cheap.... if they don't want to nerf it, we should simply all play it... not much reason to sail anything else currently anyways... unless you like 6-7 rates of course. I wouldn't fight a good PvP player sailing Wasa in anything other than a Wasa. I had a chat about it with moscalb ( fairly skilled OW PvP player ) the other day and he agreed about it being broken / overperforming. If i wouldn't love the small ships so much i'd spam Wasa all day every day...

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4 hours ago, Vile Executioner said:

It was never over powered. Please tell me, where and how was it overpowered

For bad players / carebears every ship is overpowered, even a 10 x 9pd broadside trader.:lol:  The only ship really overperforming is Wasa.

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Just a question on PvE you can use CM right to get PvP marks?  I might pop on there and use it as a test.  I know right now not really feeling the game so haven't been on and out PvPing on GLOBAL.  Though I wanted to test the new LVG out and well 150 marks is a lot when your only popping on to do your econ and any clan maintenance duties with ports owned. I think other than @Willis PVP2 I'm prob the only other one in my clan that would even think of using one of these.   Kinda wish we got to test them out on test bed or they handed them out to some of us old school hard core players to test out.  Again 150 freaking PvP marks is a bit big for a 3/3 trade ship with swivels....I want 5 slots on it as I would be making it a board fit cross breed ship so no point of getting it if it can't be a 3/5 slot too.   

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11 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Just a question on PvE you can use CM right to get PvP marks?  I might pop on there and use it as a test.  I know right now not really feeling the game so haven't been on and out PvPing on GLOBAL.  Though I wanted to test the new LVG out and well 150 marks is a lot when your only popping on to do your econ and any clan maintenance duties with ports owned. I think other than @Willis PVP2 I'm prob the only other one in my clan that would even think of using one of these.   Kinda wish we got to test them out on test bed or they handed them out to some of us old school hard core players to test out.  Again 150 freaking PvP marks is a bit big for a 3/3 trade ship with swivels....I want 5 slots on it as I would be making it a board fit cross breed ship so no point of getting it if it can't be a 3/5 slot too.   

entitlement much? get your lazy butt out there and do some work.

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Yeah @Sir Texas Sir I was saving my marks to get one. I'm slowly accumulating the marks...but I can't seem to help but throw them at those neat Navy Hull Refits LOL. Now, I'm not so sure if the LGV refit is going to be worth sailing if I'm understanding correctly that it got a sailing profile nerf :(

100% agree that 150 PvP marks is ridiculous for a 3/3 hybrid trader/raider ship. If it was 3/5 with slots pre-opened and had the old profile, I think the price would be more reasonable. After all, as stated by others: you do get ability to dock at any port with smuggler, a nice hold, excellent (old) profile, bow chasers, and some swivels (which, from my understanding, seem to be almost useless except under "perfect" conditions...maybe its just a matter of practice to get used to their odd aiming...).

I'll be watching closely to see if it gets reverted to the old sailing profile or not. I guess if it doesn't I can always buy one of those other books or something with the marks...

Edited by Willis PVP2
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2 hours ago, King of Crowns said:

entitlement much? get your lazy butt out there and do some work.

Are maybe with over 6K hours in game I'm tired of the grind when it's not a final release game.  If they want us to test things and give proper feed back than give us what we need.  That and I don't camp capitals and kill noobs and traders by ganking them like some folks do.  Hay it's easy kills, but just not my style of play.  Of course one again you bring nothing to the discussion so what is your point?  

2 hours ago, Willis PVP2 said:

Yeah @Sir Texas Sir I was saving my marks to get one. I'm slowly accumulating the marks...but I can't seem to help but throw them at those neat Navy Hull Refits LOL. Now, I'm not so sure if the LGV refit is going to be worth sailing if I'm understanding correctly that it got a sailing profile nerf :(

100% agree that 150 PvP marks is ridiculous for a 3/3 hybrid trader/raider ship. If it was 3/5 with slots pre-opened and had the old profile, I think the price would be more reasonable. After all, as stated by others: you do get ability to dock at any port with smuggler, a nice hold, excellent (old) profile, bow chasers, and some swivels (which, from my understanding, seem to be almost useless except under "perfect" conditions...maybe its just a matter of practice to get used to their odd aiming...).

I'll be watching closely to see if it gets reverted to the old sailing profile or not. I guess if it doesn't I can always buy one of those other books or something with the marks...

For what it's offering by my understanding it seems way to many marks.  I'm not in the mood go out and kill a bunch of noobs to get the points right now with the state of the game.  I honestly lost all interest in the game since the recent patches.  It's like they are going backwards not forward.   I can see paying 100 marks if it gave you a boarding bonus, had some sort of chaser (just stern) and can be unlocked to be a 3/5 ship, but with it only being a 3/3 I don't even want to try to get the points up to test it like you say there are much better things to spend what PvP marks I might get if I actuall got interested in the game once more.

See this is one thing the Dev's need to find out.  Why have folks like me and others suddenly at times loose interest and stop playing.  They wonder why they have over 50% US sales but they can't retain those players they need to find out.  They need to do in game polls and get info from the actuall active players and not a few of us Forum Whore's that don't shut up on here (I'm one of them).   Changes like this is part of why I'm loosing interest in this game.  I'm still wondering why every one can get a hands on a ship that is called Pirate Refit (same with the Frigate).  Though with that the Admirality shops could have NAvy only version of a few ships too that are for None Pirates.

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    True words. Step by step backwards. Now the game is an fìr/fìr game. Are other woods like Bermuda or sabico and live oak needs no one anymore. Tons over tons of speed upgrades. Only the  best an long time player getting better and better. Ship builder has also nothing to do anymore, because the best ship's like was a and other you can get via note. Terrible the way the game is going now. 

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1 minute ago, Kopelent said:

    True words. Step by step backwards. Now the game is an fìr/fìr game. Are other woods like Bermuda or sabico and live oak needs no one anymore. Tons over tons of speed upgrades. Only the  best an long time player getting better and better. Ship builder has also nothing to do anymore, because the best ship's like was a and other you can get via note. Terrible the way the game is going now. 

You get better by pvp experience and thinking. Not by speedmods, its just a weak excuse for bad players.

Rebalance is coming.

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2 minutes ago, rediii said:

You get better by pvp experience and thinking. Not by speedmods, its just a weak excuse for bad players.

Rebalance is coming.

Many players do hope for a dramatic and more realistic regress to proper in-built modules instead of this inflation of characteristics indeed.

Whatever the mods of choice, some prefer speed, others boarding, others handling, we all can adulterate the proper "credible realism" of the ships, example being the long hull ships ( whatever rate ! ) with extreme module/book refits having null drift and stopping on the spot.

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21 minutes ago, The Red Duke said:

Many players do hope for a dramatic and more realistic regress to proper in-built modules instead of this inflation of characteristics indeed.

I've fought for it, tooth and nail, for a long time. Now I hesitate to nurture a hope for it. 🤕

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3 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

  Changes like this is part of why I'm loosing interest in this game.  I'm still wondering why every one can get a hands on a ship that is called Pirate Refit (same with the Frigate).  Though with that the Admirality shops could have NAvy only version of a few ships too that are for None Pirates.

This was not a change per se. it was a fix of a bug that was creating abnormal curves improving speeds at some angles. 
We are fully prepared to the Wasa forum fallout once its curves and accels/decels will change.

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12 hours ago, Hodo said:

What was the other 2 ships, the PLGV was one, what was the other two?

normal lgv/prince/wasa

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34 minutes ago, admin said:

We are fully prepared to the Wasa forum fallout once its curves and accels/decels will change.

<giggle>

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@admin Be very careful with re-balance. I propose that you do it in stages in order to avoid more mess. Start with wasa. Nerf speed and lets see how it will affect state of game.

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