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20 minutes ago, Celtiberofrog said:

Updated first introduction post

Fair wind all !

what was changed if I may ask?

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Hey Redii,

Mostly TS adress and new clans added into the Real acuerdo.

Nothing has been modified from the political relations as I'm not fully updated about it, so please let me know.

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On 4/27/2018 at 1:55 PM, DesMoines said:

We have an alliance???? Oo

I know we have for RVR (not PvP) status like this

not with or against Russian

not with or against GB

not with or against Spanish

not with or against Danish....(but may be change in next days after PB of Grand anse)

not with or against US

not with or against VP

not with or against Pirates

not with or against Polish

not with or against Prussia

against Swedish

 

And if some nations (with alt or not) want war...We agree and defend what we can defend. If russians want come....Come :) we aren t affraid...really...from a nation who ask others nation Help.... LOL ..who is the joke?

 

 

 

Update your post.

 

It was a pleasure to help.

 

PS: Desmoines is Louis XVI ingame.

Edited by Admiral Horatio Hornblower

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In order to have a better understanding of the on going and future CLAN politic positionning we wish to inform the whole Caribbean server captains community about the following:

 

The Spanish Faction includes a « Clan confederation » called

El Acuerdo Real de Indias

It's a group of clans that are loyal to each other, act together at war and do strictly respect the confederation rules as well as political issues that are commonly decided.

The Real Acuerdo de Indias includes the following Spanish clans:

FNI ; 7UP ; FLEKI ; VLTRA ; LIBRE ; TEARM ; ARM ; SKYNE ; BEZZ ; NOVA ; GRIJ ; GOE ; LUPUS ; 4PM ; ALU 

 

Current political positionning of our confederation:

Note: Without clear issues or declaration our positionning will take into account the proportion of opponents clan members involved in our PB . 

 

USA                     ==> WAR ONLY against VCO clan

Great Britain     ==> At War

Sweeden           ==> At war 

Dutch                ==> WAR ONLY against Havoc clan 

Danemark         ==> At war    

Poland               ==> Neutral with all clans

Prussia             ==> At war 

Russia               ==> Military Alliance                                 

France              ==> Friendly

Pirates             ==> At War 

                                Contract : open to negociation

 

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INFORM OR CORRECT THIS TOPIC TO BE UPDATED. 

 

For any information, clarification or proposal, please visit our TS at : navalaction.ts3.lu

Edited by Celtiberofrog

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Since it seems Spain is at war with VCO for some reason, I'll just make it crystal clear here. 

Any actions taken towards the US clan or US players in the gulf tomorrow at Apalachicola will be seen as an act of war and night flipping will commence.  

DreamMaker from Russia (one of the very few left) has given The US the ok to take the port.  

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https://gyazo.com/c9344c39d64f56b4df6952e17ab9d620

 

Hostilities were started earlier by Graf when he tagged one of our players.  Unprovoked, we were simply grinding up a port we were told we can have.

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Again, this is a warning to Spain. 

The above transgression will be ignored and no further action taken.  If Spain decides to attack our players tomorrow on their way to the port this will an act of war.

 

Edited by Christendom

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1 hour ago, Christendom said:

Since it seems Spain is at war with VCO for some reason, I'll just make it crystal clear here. 

Any actions taken towards the US clan or US players in the gulf tomorrow at Apalachicola will be seen as an act of war and night flipping will commence.  

DreamMaker from Russia (one of the very few left) has given The US the ok to take the port.  

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https://gyazo.com/c9344c39d64f56b4df6952e17ab9d620

 

Hostilities were started earlier by Graf when he tagged one of our players.  Unprovoked, we were simply grinding up a port we were told we can have.

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Again, this is a warning to Spain. 

The above transgression will be ignored and no further action taken.  If Spain decides to attack our players tomorrow on their way to the port this will an act of war.

 

IM SORRY action is not allowed in naval action. must comply with empty PBs protocol to connect the colored dots.

Edited by Coraline Vodka
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Dear Mr. Christendom, who do you want to fool here? It was guys of the us-clan who tried to screen us out of Islamorada. Thanks to your provided screenshot, i can see they were even in the same group sailing around. The screen you provided is Graf tagging a us-player to prevent him from tagging our pb fleet after the us started the aggression. It happened around Islamorada, a port Spain had a portbattle and you want to tell us you were grinding it up? How do you do this with a port which already has a pb set?

So what is your real intention here to provoke a war?

And just to make it clear. I am NO spanish official. I am only talking for myself.

I even don´t know why you are mentioned hostile in above list. Maybe prevision...

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50 minutes ago, Batman said:

Srsly, just start fighting each other already.

I just find it funny that the US clan creates the port battle that's in question of conflict, yet it's VCO that they are at war with :P

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Just to remove some of the fog of confusion here is a brief timeline of events.

Spain sailed up to flip Apalachiacola under the belief the Russians wanted them to do it.

US clan and a few VCO were already at Appalachicola waiting inside a finished battle for the port timer to click over. They also believed the Russian wanted them to take it.

The US team had both head start and are probably better NPC grinders so they flipped the port first.

There was much confusion as why the US team was doing this.

Islamorda port battle occurs. X4 US L'Oceans show up screening. But it is not clear whom they are screening and some tags occur to prevent mishaps.

No actual player ships are sunk by either side. US clan flips Apalachicola and 7UP clan captures Islamorda.

Drama ensues with two teams who can likely only night flip each other. 😛

 

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why are the spanish so carebear? They have always been another nations bitch in this game. Git gud

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59 minutes ago, Willem said:

Dear Mr. Christendom, who do you want to fool here? It was guys of the us-clan who tried to screen us out of Islamorada. Thanks to your provided screenshot, i can see they were even in the same group sailing around. The screen you provided is Graf tagging a us-player to prevent him from tagging our pb fleet after the us started the aggression. It happened around Islamorada, a port Spain had a portbattle and you want to tell us you were grinding it up? How do you do this with a port which already has a pb set?

So what is your real intention here to provoke a war?

And just to make it clear. I am NO spanish official. I am only talking for myself.

I even don´t know why you are mentioned hostile in above list. Maybe prevision...

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The US was grinding up the port Appalachicola.  Not Islamorada.  Where we encountered multiple Spanish, who then proceeded to follow us all the way back to our port of Cayo Biscanyo where I'm told Pepe tried multiple times to tag one of our Oceans solo.  The above mentioned screenshot of Graf tagging was taken during this encounter, I'm told prior to Pepe being tagged.  I was not there and could be wrong.  Regardless no one on either side was sunk and no harm/no foul.  

My intentions are to let Spain know that if any US player is prevented from entering the PB at Appalachicola later today, it will be viewed as an act of war.  Russia has given the US the ok to take the port and it is no longer any of Spains concern who gets the port as it is not theirs to give out.  We need the white oak and you have 2 up there already. 

So again I am simply just stating what will happen should any US players be prevented from entering the port battle today.  Spain has a lot of ports without timers and it seems that it would be unwise to attack an ally with a large night time population.....over a port like Appalach which you do not need and it's not yours to begin with.  Just a thought I suppose.

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10 minutes ago, Estaban De la Vega said:

Just to remove some of the fog of confusion here is a brief timeline of events.

Spain sailed up to flip Apalachiacola under the belief the Russians wanted them to do it.

US clan and a few VCO were already at Appalachicola waiting inside a finished battle for the port timer to click over. They also believed the Russian wanted them to take it.

The US team had both head start and are probably better NPC grinders so they flipped the port first.

There was much confusion as why the US team was doing this.

Islamorda port battle occurs. X4 US L'Oceans show up screening. But it is not clear whom they are screening and some tags occur to prevent mishaps.

No actual player ships are sunk by either side. US clan flips Apalachicola and 7UP clan captures Islamorda.

Drama ensues with two teams who can likely only night flip each other. 😛

 

Those players were not there to screen Isla, they were sailing home to Cayo Biscayno.  Due to Spain's unexpected hostility they thought it would be unwise to sail home solo.  

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Just now, Christendom said:

 

My intentions are to let Spain know that if any US player is prevented from entering the PB at Appalachicola later today, it will be viewed as an act of war.  Russia has given the US the ok to take the port and it is no longer any of Spains concern who gets the port as it is not theirs to give out. .

You have to be careful here. According to Spain every port is a historical Spanish port and therefor only Spain can decide who is allowed to own a port.

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5 minutes ago, Christendom said:

which you do not need and it's not yours to begin with

Hey that's exactly the attitude that got GB into a war with Spain! They need every port between New Orleans and Ays. Or at least that's what they said when we had the southern alliance round table.

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10 hours ago, Christendom said:

Since it seems Spain is at war with VCO for some reason, I'll just make it crystal clear here. 

Any actions taken towards the US clan or US players in the gulf tomorrow at Apalachicola will be seen as an act of war and night flipping will commence.  

DreamMaker from Russia (one of the very few left) has given The US the ok to take the port.  

c9344c39d64f56b4df6952e17ab9d620.png
https://gyazo.com/c9344c39d64f56b4df6952e17ab9d620

 

Hostilities were started earlier by Graf when he tagged one of our players.  Unprovoked, we were simply grinding up a port we were told we can have.

F8E16A51C532F58DDE085E632A4D7A593BAE5B3D

 

Again, this is a warning to Spain. 

The above transgression will be ignored and no further action taken.  If Spain decides to attack our players tomorrow on their way to the port this will an act of war.

 

How are your threats against Spain to understand? That you will run with your line ships from Spanish Princes like your VCO guy did yesterday while I  tagged him in his Buc? With your declaration of war you might come a little bit late, I guess. Since Raxius declared war already yesterday by grinding Apalachicola. And of course I confess attacking your VCO guy was an act of war answering US hostility against us. Looks like you're only the number two in your nation. Throw Raxius from the throne since he is a loose cannon or stop pretending to have a say in the US. I would prefer to see you in the lead, since I like and respect you. 

If it comes to your casus belli I will remind you that Apalachicola is a REDS port. North is still chief of REDS. Spain has his approval to take this port. Dreammaker is officer in RUS and has no say in any belongs of REDS. Anyway we informed him already several days ago and he had nothing against that deal with North. RUS never cared about the ports in the Gulf. Why should they decide about them now?

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1 minute ago, Batman said:

You have to be careful here. According to Spain every port is a historical Spanish port and therefor only Spain can decide who is allowed to own a port.

Oh I’m aware.  Last time I attacked Spanish ports we took Remedios at night and caused the entire nation to quit.  I’m not particularly worried.  Spain has had a bone to pick with me from way back when.  I’m used to it.  

Whats kinda funny is I was actually in the PB to take Appalach from you guys (GB) as well as other Brit ports in the gulf because Spain was unable to take them from you.  

While I agree that the alts in our little allied group here might muddy the waters a bit, none were involved directly with the current drama.  The only reason he’s there is because I like the 7up and former the Russian guys.  Should it come to blows with Spain I would remove my guy to another nation to keep things on the up and up.

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14 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Those players were not there to screen Isla, they were sailing home to Cayo Biscayno.  Due to Spain's unexpected hostility they thought it would be unwise to sail home solo.  

Well, this is the one part of all this I actually was at.  I had a Niagara as did another Spanish. There was also the Prince you see above an Indefat and a Inger. The entire rest of the Spanish PB team was still sailing from Habana.  So I'm not sure how we were preventing those oceans and Buc from getting to Biscano but I'm pretty sure they had no reason to be parked in front of Islamadora.

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15 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

How are your threats against Spain to understand? That you will run with your line ships from Spanish Princes like your VCO guy did yesterday while I  tagged him in his Buc? With your declaration of war you might come a little bit late, I guess. Since Raxius declared war already yesterday by grinding Apalachicola. And of course I confess attacking your VCO guy was an act of war answering US hostility against us. Looks like you're only the number two in your nation. Throw Raxius from the throne since he is a loose cannon or stop pretending to have a say in the US. I would prefer to see you in the lead, since I like and respect you. 

If it comes to your casus belli I will remind you that Apalachicola is a REDS port. North is still chief of REDS. Spain has his approval to take this port. Dreammaker is officer in RUS and has no say in any belongs of REDS. Anyway we informed him already several days ago and he had nothing against that deal with North. RUS never cared about the ports in the Gulf. Why should they decide about them now?

Ah the Graf pr machine starts.  

I made a declaration of intent.  Not war.

I believe it was you who tagged Arch.  He was simply grinding a port and did not expect Spanish hostility towards him.  He didn’t want to fight you.

As REDS no longer exists, we contacted the remaining active players in Russia.  They said OK.  If REDS would like the port to go to Spain they can simply defend it and I’m sure Rax will back off.

Rax doesn’t run the nation and neither do I.   

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This back and forth semantics crap no longer interests me so I’ll just be blunt. Screen the US guys out today and we’re at war by your hands.  Don’t screen us out and we’re cool.  I leave the decision entirely at your feet.

 

Edited by Christendom

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1 minute ago, Christendom said:

Oh I’m aware.  Last time I attacked Spanish ports we took Remedios at night and caused the entire nation to quit.  I’m not particularly worried.  Spain has had a bone to pick with me from way back when.  I’m used to it.  

Whats kinda funny is I was actually in the PB to take Appalach from you guys (GB) as well as other Brit ports in the gulf because Spain was unable to take them from you.  

While I agree that the alts in our little allied group here might muddy the waters a bit, none were involved directly with the current drama.  The only reason he’s there is because I like the 7up and former the Russian guys.  Should it come to blows with Spain I would remove my guy to another nation to keep things on the up and up.

Come on mate. Everybody knows how much you struggled in night flips against the French in the past. Wasn't the discussion a few days ago how Spain could help you out with a white oak port without endangering you getting beaten by King of Crowns a soon as you have conquered it? Do you really think they will accept a US deep water harbour in the gulf? Then put the timer in the night after you have captured it.

Your problem is that Raxius ignored your diplomatic steps and did what he always does. Ruining the alliance system of every nation he joins, since he is too stupid to understand policy. That was not only an assault on Spain but on your authority aswell. Take up the gauntlet and fight him. Otherwise you will always be his subordinate. You're much smarter than him. You can make it.

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5 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Ah the Graf pr machine starts.  

I made a declaration for intent.  Not war.

I believe it was you who tagged Arch.  He was simply grinding a port and did not expect Spanish hostility towards him.  He didn’t want to fight you.

As REDS no longer exists, we contacted the remaining active players in Russia.  They said OK.  If REDS would like the port to go to Spain they can simply defend it and I’m sure Rax will back off.

Rax doesn’t run the nation and neither do I.   

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This back and forth semantics crap no longer interests me so I’ll just be blunt. Screen the US guys out today and we’re at war by your hands.  Don’t screen us out and we’re cool.  I leave the decision entirely at your feet.

 

True. It was Raxius declaring war. You had zero influence on this decission.

Of course it was me tagging your VCO guy. He was hunting some Spanish players in front of Islamorada with an US Ocean in his back. I tagged him that he couldn't tag them. And he was running since he knew he would run out of PvP marks if he couldn't leave this battle before every Spaniard joined the PB. 

REDS still exists and will defend Apalachicola. Raxius backstabbing shall not be successful.

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Will this mean that all "alts" will be hanged in Habana and Charleston ? Hmmm ... how can anyone be hanged in two places at the same time... nevermind...

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