The 3rd Rate Merchant Ship

[Sersanara]

Currently we have in the game merchant ships of 7th (Tr Linx, Tr Cutter), 6th (Tr Snow, Tr Brig), 5th (Le Gros Ventre) and 4th (Indiaman).

But the Spaniards began to use ships of the line for their Indies treasure fleets (Veracruz-Habana-Cadiz, Portobello-Habana-Cadiz) and Manila galleons (Manila-Acapulco) from 1720, with the introduction of new proportions in the construction of vessels dictated by D. Antonio de Gaztañeta, instead of the famous Galleons. These ships were still generally called Galleons of the Indies race or Manila, but were in fact ships of the line. One of the most famous was "Nuestra Señora del Pilar de Zaragoza", of the race of Manila (the called Galleon of Manila).

The ship had a capacity of 22 cannons of 18pd in the first battery, 22 guns of 12pd in the second battery, 6 guns of 9pd in the alcazar and two guns of 9pd or carronades of 68pd in the stern. Total 52 guns.

I propose to implement this merchant ship of 3rd Rate:

Ship                                             Battle Rating    Crew    Guns    Broadside Weight    Cargo Capacity    Max Speed    Draught    Rate   Min Crafting Level
Spanish Galleon or "El Pilar"    ?                         460      50          357pd/0pd               6000                      11.30              Deep         3th     35    

Edited October 11, 2017 by Sersanara

[Sersanara]

Edited October 8, 2017 by Sersanara

[Alado]

adding that, despite Holywood, only two treasure galleons were captured throughout history

[pietjenoob]

i have a better one as a 3rd rate the Dutch Pieter Paulus, 68 gun ship https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=16337

[Asmoday]

Sersanara seems to me a great idea / proposal. You can count on my help.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Asmoday

[SteelSandwich]

There are plans for the ships pietje mentioned. I also have a plan of a 1730's dutch east indiamen.

Will try to get both plans online tonight.

[Haratik]

I can back this.  Spanish or Dutch.

[SteelSandwich]

 

and the Pieter Paulus in low res (got very high res available)

[z4ys]

Because we are getting Prussia as nation I propose the Prinz von Preußen. It's a former Dutch 64 gun ship called Zoeterwoude and was used by Preußischen Asiatischen Compagnie for trading between Emden and China.

Unfortunately I don't have any plans. Maybe someone can find and add them. The ship was build 1719 in Amsterdam by Jan van Reenen.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prinz_von_Preußen_(Schiff)

 

Edited October 10, 2017 by z4ys

[Haratik]

14 hours ago, z4ys said:

Because we are getting Prussia as nation I propose the Prinz von Preußen. It's a former Dutch 64 gun ship called Zoeterwoude and was used by Preußischen Asiatischen Compagnie for trading between Emden and China.

Unfortunately I don't have any plans. Maybe someone can find and add them. The ship was build 1719 in Amsterdam by Jan van Reenen.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prinz_von_Preußen_(Schiff)

 

https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=923

[SirAlatriste]

I want this!!

[Tomasso il Fortunato]

Urca de Lima from Black Sails series . Spanish Trader Ship full of gold .

 

Some info here . This ship existed .

http://black-sails.wikia.com/wiki/Urca_de_Lima

Edited March 11, 2019 by Thomas Fremantle

[Haratik]

1 hour ago, Captan Thomas Fremantle said:

Urca de Lima from Black Sails series . Spanish Trader Ship full of gold .

Some info here . This ship existed .

http://black-sails.wikia.com/wiki/Urca_de_Lima

modern representation of a lost ship, you need plans to propose such a vessel, and I doubt one exists of this particular ship.  They might be able to map it out based on knowledge of the wreck, but I highly doubt such a rebuild is feasible.

[Rake News]

On 10/8/2017 at 12:17 PM, Sersanara said:

The ship had a capacity of 22 cannons of 18pd in the first battery, 22 guns of 12pd in the second battery, 6 guns of 9pd in the alcazar and two guns of 9pd or carronades of 68pd in the stern. Total 52 guns.

I propose to implement this merchant ship of 3rd Rate:

Ship                                             Battle Rating    Crew    Guns    Broadside Weight    Cargo Capacity    Max Speed    Draught    Rate   Min Crafting Level
Spanish Galleon or "El Pilar"    ?                         460      50          357pd/0pd               6000                      11.30              Deep         3th     35    

I love this. The combination of a galleon and a more modern shape, with a more modern stern gallery. Beautiful ship.

Like the stats, too, want to add that with that hull shape, following the logic of the game (Wapen), it should get a 3.-ish turnrate, making it kind of a trading Wapen, able to fend of most of the faster ships, when they are not captained quite well.

[Serk]

I must say I have a preference for the dutch ship (Pieter Paulus), simply because it was launched during revolutionnay/napoleonic wars, the timeframe I think NA should focus on for easier balancing.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Serk

[Rake News]

On 2/27/2020 at 3:23 PM, Serk said:

I must say I have a preference for the dutch ship (Pieter Paulus), simply because it was launched during revolutionnay/napoleonic wars, the timeframe I think NA should focus on for easier balancing.

Nuestra Senora del Pilar was built in 1731, so it is within the timeframe of the game (since Wapen and Ingermanland are even older), and stylewise it fits in, too. It may be called a Galleon, but it does not look like a classical galleon at all.

But I do like the Pieter Paulus, too. I do not quite see a balancing problem due to launching date, despite some ships may be mildly frustating (like Connie due to her rating). Therefore, I want both ships  to make their way into the game.