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Actually the days of kiting are back.  with a vengeance.  We successfully split and kited the GA 1st rates throughout Georgetown.  

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Astonishingly easy victory.  We went in there with alts and bullshit ships.  

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Looks as though you could have wrecked them too though with all those Wasas.

Simply put you had the better fleet in that pb anyway in my opinion.

 

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2 hours ago, IndianaGeoff said:

Yea, looks like 1st rates are heading to the boneyard.

Not necessarily.. It's just that a fleet of 1st rates on their own is untenable, which in my opinion is a good thing.

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We will only learn by trying.

The assessment by Chris is wrong, shooting at sails had nothing to do with it, we lost because we accumulated zero points because we didn't sink anything or get into the circles we didn't make it easy for our battle commander at all, personally I was shockingly bad. It was my idea to split the Vics and go after the Santi my bad I will try and keep my mouth shut next time.

Still was fun let's do it again :P (if my lot let me)

 

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7 hours ago, Custard said:

We will only learn by trying.

The assessment by Chris is wrong, shooting at sails had nothing to do with it, we lost because we accumulated zero points because we didn't sink anything or get into the circles we didn't make it easy for our battle commander at all, personally I was shockingly bad. It was my idea to split the Vics and go after the Santi my bad I will try and keep my mouth shut next time.

Still was fun let's do it again :P (if my lot let me)

 

While you guys might of snagged a vic of ours on the way over, it was a stupid mistake to reveal exactly what you were bringing to the PB.  You brought the beef to try and win the brawl.  We brought ships to maneuver around you.  My only regret is not letting you guys cap the bottom circle quick enough, we should have had another vic off you in there.  

The problem with the BR pbs, and I touched on this in the patch thread, is that there is zero incentive for the defender to want to engage in the brawl.  All we had to do was simply bring more ships and kite around while you racked up points.  In a port like Georgetown in 1st rates, the time it took for you to enter and sail down to the bottom circle or even the far right one was about as long as we needed to win on points.  It was almost a no win scenario for you.  The new changes make it too hard for the attacker to win I think, we'll see after the results from a busy sat on the EU and the FR VS BLACK PB tonight.

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Port - port de paix (France vs. Pirates)

Br limit - 7,200

Outcome - pirates successfully defend

I heard from folks that it was an enjoyable battle. Relative even numbers with the pirates having slightly more BR. Hope to see more conflict and maybe the US and Brits will find their footing as well.

I was not at the battle so if someone from the battle wants to give a more detailed report, please do so.

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Also the thing that helped you Chris and shows that now the defender has the advantage is that you waited until the GB forces entered while you kept a few ships out of the battle and switched to larger ships then sent them in. This is going to be something that will be in favor of the defender now as sides try to deploy as many points as possible while trying to maintain an advantage of some sort. Should be interesting from here on out. I think new tactics will emerge as the battles are waged.

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Devastating night for the US.  

Pirates won the Islamabad PB.  Pretty good brawl.  US ignored the circles and went right for the sink.  We kited around to group up our guys, focused fired and won fairly easily.  Good fight though US.

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Then the real holocaust happened after the fight where the remnants of the shattered US Ocean fleet was trying to get back home.

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They didn't make it. 

I'm also told a brit screening fleet was lost before the battle, don't know the details.  

Good fights to the US and Brits today, we managed to slam in a shit load of action for a smaller server.

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Updated Diplomacy to represent more closely what has been happening between nations in the past week or 2.

- Pirate Aggression seems to be on a downward trend in taking ports. OW PvP and PB defenses they are still going strong and showing they mean business

- US/Brit - Seem to continue the trend of taking ports that are neutral to expand their influence. some question if it's needed. They are also initiating port battles against the pirates more recently. Maybe PvP morale is rising?

- Dutch continue to take more ports, the aggressive act from Denmark seem to have subsided but who knows if the dutch have something planned to evict the vikings out.

- France is expanding influencing around New Orleans as well as attempting to take back Haiti. Reports from France states that Haiti is considered a core region and must be taken back against any who hold territory there.

- Denmark/Sweden are continuing their "slumber expansion" preferring to stay away from territory already claimed

-Prussia/Russia/Poland -- Reports say Prussia is content with the land they own, Russia has yet to send their navy to the Caribbean, and Poland is attempting to get to the Caribbean faster than Russia

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Another tough night for the U.S. in a mixed clan attempt to take Morgan's Bluff. We filled the port battle with a mixture of Heavy Rattlers and Prince for wind control. They brought a single Mortar Brig but were light in terms of numbers. We ended up in a brawl for B just south of where they joined. 

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My stream (without comms) of the port battle got more interesting early because of a freak ship explosion took two of us in addition to the exploding ship quite early after the engagement started:

It ended up pretty one sided other than the explosion losses:

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Thanks for the fight U.S.!

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Port De Paix - French vs Pirates

BR - 7,200

Outcome - Pirates successfully defend

AAR - France decided to form a line and try to stick with the line. Our plan was to focus on a couple enemy ships and then have Our Bucs finish them off. Being a weekday night not many people could make it with work tomorrow, but nonetheless it was enjoyable to have everyone show up. The pirates were able to capture and hold all 3 circles while France got hold up engaging the main pirate force, we were unable to maneuver in the channel and so had to give up on the circles which ultimately was part of our demise. In the grand scheme of things the outcome was realized after the first line "crash."

Battle ended with 2 French ships sunk and if it had lasted any longer it would have likely been 1-2 more.

Hope to have more in the near future.

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George Town (In the Caymans)  GB attacking, Pirates defending  GB took the port

 

GB came into the port with primarily a Buc fleet, while the Pirates chose to defend with mostly Wasas.

Early in the battle the pirates found themselves with poor wind, while the bulk of GB waited until the closest fort could be taken while a small contingent went to take C.  The pirates sent a small force to contest C while the main forces looked at each other through their spyglasses and took sniping shots.  A n additional pirate Victory spawned in about the 20 minute mark and with A in firm pirate control the bulk of the defending fleet set out to smash the small British forces in C.  The British commander decided to split our forces to help our hearty mates in C, whilst with the forts being dealt with by our mortar brig expert enabled the rest of the British fleet to capture A.  A few pirates took the opportunity of a favourable wind shift to contest B from the small force left to hold it, so a few Bucs reversed course and sailed to buttress the defense of B.  Circle C found the Brits outgunned and they made a retreat from C with the loss of one Brit captain in a pirate frigate.  Over the next 20 minutes a few Pirate captains found themselves on the wrong end of relentless broadsides.  Some with their ships on fire they attempted to fireship a Brit but were unsuccessful, other bravely kept shooting till they joined the crew of ole Davy Jones. 

One of the Pirate Victorys decided to escape mid battle, possibly deciding to spare his crew as he waved to his brothers.  The game was deciding with points, overall the Pirates lost 4 Wasas, while the Brits lost one Pirate Frigate.  Great fight to all in the battle, tip of the hat to both the winners and losers.

 

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Update:

not much has changed with Diplomacy although a few things

1. some Privateers seem to have been hired by the a French Lord who is unhappy with the current state of affairs in the Caribbean. Many French in the Caribbean Navy are unhappy that these new "hooligans" do not follow the code of conduct that is expected of all French sailors. It seems not being hired directly from the Navy creates issues when a private endeavor goes against the "norm."

2. British and US forces have been able to take back some land from the pirates, one wonders who these 2 nations will fight once a common enemy is gone.

3. the Antilles is now lighting up with a lot of groups who were previously docked have now sailed into action.

----Roleplay Off----

Whether the players who joined France were previously Pirates or not and I know we know some were pirates, I think getting salty over it is dumb. Why not enjoy the content? exploits are bannable, abusing mechanics is shitty. How about those who acuse the pirates of always exploiting and abusing not do it themselves? usually you don't fight "fire with fire" because it never ends well.

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@Teutonic

 

Thank you for the updates it is good to see some adult level of communication

 

Regarding your point about 2 Nations fighting a common enemy and what happens next those two Nations have been told incessantly that they are not good enough to fight Pirates and they should fight each other to get good enough, as Pirates  have now effectively given up guess we fight each other

Difference is we will not be telling each other what we should do

 

Game on

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5 minutes ago, Custard said:

@Teutonic

 

Thank you for the updates it is good to see some adult level of communication

 

Regarding your point about 2 Nations fighting a common enemy and what happens next those two Nations have been told incessantly that they are not good enough to fight Pirates and they should fight each other to get good enough, as Pirates  have now effectively given up guess we fight each other

Difference is we will not be telling each other what we should do

 

Game on

I love the way you lot talk to each other.

Eu could learn a thing or two. Btw gb are complaining about pre night flips lol

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31 minutes ago, Custard said:

@Teutonic

 

Thank you for the updates it is good to see some adult level of communication

 

Regarding your point about 2 Nations fighting a common enemy and what happens next those two Nations have been told incessantly that they are not good enough to fight Pirates and they should fight each other to get good enough, as Pirates  have now effectively given up guess we fight each other

Difference is we will not be telling each other what we should do

 

Game on

I won’t speak for BLACK, but I know myself and most of my guys are losing interest.   Really has nothing to do with the 3 on 1 or persistent battles outside Mort or LT.  If anything those keep me playing.  It’s disappointing seeing the population ebb and flow..mostly trending downward week by week.  

Even before KoC and his sunshine band of alt abusers started their reunion tour people were losing interest.  I personally dislike the gank vs gank style of pvp and would prefer to just roam around looking for other solo players or small groups.  Unfortunately we don’t have the numbers for that style of pvp. The constant gank outside of torture isn’t healthy for the server, regardless of which side you’re on.  

 

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Numbers have been consistent since I started playing again you were British then

There is only one person of any nation going solo against the British and that is Metastatic Disease you are a wannabe 

 

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The numbers on both servers have been pretty stable lately. 

EU had about 620 yesterday and the Global had about 190-200 I think. 

I can say that the RvR thing has always been boring to me... so I just sail around in a cheap ship and hunt.

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13 minutes ago, Hodo said:

The numbers on both servers have been pretty stable lately. 

EU had about 620 yesterday and the Global had about 190-200 I think. 

I can say that the RvR thing has always been boring to me... so I just sail around in a cheap ship and hunt.

Global very rarely cracks 150 if there are no pbs.  Yesterday 140 was the highest.  

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2 hours ago, Christendom said:

I won’t speak for BLACK, but I know myself and most of my guys are losing interest.   Really has nothing to do with the 3 on 1 or persistent battles outside Mort or LT.  If anything those keep me playing.  It’s disappointing seeing the population ebb and flow..mostly trending downward week by week.  

Even before KoC and his sunshine band of alt abusers started their reunion tour people were losing interest.  I personally dislike the gank vs gank style of pvp and would prefer to just roam around looking for other solo players or small groups.  Unfortunately we don’t have the numbers for that style of pvp. The constant gank outside of torture isn’t healthy for the server, regardless of which side you’re on.  

 

This Mort/LaT gankfest keeps up, it is a repeat of the Charleston gankfest that took server pop levels to 80.  It is no fun defended night after night.  Defenders quit and pvp crashes.

Interestingly, it fired up right after substantial PvP rewards were introduced.

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3 hours ago, Christendom said:

Global very rarely cracks 150 if there are no pbs.  Yesterday 140 was the highest.  

Well that is unfortunate.   I login every so often, do my patrol of the US coastline then head back and logout.  

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1 hour ago, IndianaGeoff said:

This Mort/LaT gankfest keeps up, it is a repeat of the Charleston gankfest that took server pop levels to 80.  It is no fun defended night after night.  Defenders quit and pvp crashes.

Interestingly, it fired up right after substantial PvP rewards were introduced.

yep, as long as there are rewards to ganking / alt farming .....people will abuse it.  I wasn't a fan of the ctown ganking or whats going on outside of LT

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39 minutes ago, Christendom said:

yep, as long as there are rewards to ganking / alt farming .....people will abuse it.  I wasn't a fan of the ctown ganking or whats going on outside of LT

I have said all along, you don't have to reward PvP.  It happens on it's own.  You certainly don't need to have best in game upgrades come from it.  This is a game of skill.  Have basic upgrades and let skill decide it.  When you take skill and add top tier upgrades that lower level players won't get... well that is a recipe for disaster.

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