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Danmark-Norge renouncing saboteurs


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As i remember right we started in Bahamas before the Mapwin system even got announced, because we wanted to give new players the chance to fight PBs. After the system was announced we went for the mapwin.

We didnt see the sense in taking another mapwin, because we expected other nations to trade it between each other and we dont need Vicory Marks. We still have Victory marks from the first mapwin and after wipe the mapwin isnt really important to get them.

Just play PVE and convert the CM to VM, no mapwin needed.

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21 minutes ago, troody said:

guys, this thread is about denmark and DNP - plz stay on topic - most of the things were already said and ppl participating wont change their minds/argumentations

 

 

But Bernadotte is also in this thread and the very only thing he can talk about is his grudge.

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6 hours ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

Because you outnumbered us in each battle. But be patient it's only a matter of time and Cartagena is ours. :D And of course RDNN is RDNN because we can afford losses of ships. By the way it was only 4 ;) 

If it comes to the help of DNP in national coast guard it is true that they were active around Christiansted. But every port more than 30 minutes away from the Danish capital has rarely seen any DNP warship so far. With reinforcements coast guard around Christiansted is no longer needed. Bearwalls claim shows very clear what the basic problem of this clan is. It's not evilness which makes them sabotage other clans hostility grinding. It's a complete lack of understanding why Danemark-Norge performed so well in the past and faces a great future. It's the ability of our nation to focus on strategic targets like Cartagena des Indias, which are for the benefit of the whole nation which owns such ports. For DNP such moves are only "a waste of time". If they would lead Danemark-Norge, the nation would not face prosperity and wouldn't be feared as a great power- It would end up as a ministate with Christiansted and Frederiksted as it's "glorious" territory.

DNP supports the interests of our enemies to the best. No wonder that Peter Goldman can't believe his luck to have a fifth column in the Danish nation with this clan.

Graf.. First off - RDNN guys haven't lifted a finger to hunt enemies in the CS area at any point since I started on the server.. And I do recall not so long ago you lying in CS harbor while Assassin got ganked in his Bellona while trying to help another who were being ganked by the swedes. Secondly - We (DNP) flipped Les Cayes along with ACN. Hydra flipped New Orleans along with us and the same goes for Penzacola. The fact you've been lying still in empty uncontested PB doesn't make you a great PB player nor testifies in any extent to a contribution to the danish-norwegian nation. The fact you were willing to sit in port while a fellow member of your hostility fleet were being ganked because he tried to help another in CS (and prob expected at least some assistance from you) testifies a greater deal.

When it comes to the protected area it only testifies to your lack of understanding of basic economics.. Crafting materials doesn't magically appear in CS or other ports and the current availability of basic goods doesn't remove the need to haul them. And the protected zone doesn't cover the entire area - I seem to recall RDNN losing a trader last night to a swedish Neufchattel that we - DNP - chased off untill he magically jumped into Road Town - the very port RDNN told me they would flip on day one.. Instead RDNN wasted time losing in Cartagena. It's a matter of priorities and DNP prioritises securing DN area first and then go kill brits later. And again just for the record - we haven't sabotaged any other clans hostility grinding. As far as I know RDNN was only pissed that I actually felt that ACN were more entitled to get their port number 1 than RDNN getting a port number 3. I know this can come as a complete shocker but RDNN is not the danish nation - there are more clans than RDNN and since we haven't had a council meeting since before the wipe RDNN cannot speak for any other clan than themselves and cannot claim to speak for DNP in deals, or otherwise.

Lastly my mate - In find RDNN dishonourable and the deals they have made are dishonourable. I sincerely disagreed with the agreement with joining up with the brits to sealclub the weakest nation in the game (the spanish) and then basically swap the victory marks every week. Where is the fun in that? - I didn't start playing only to be confined to PvE because RDNN is too few in the week days to influence things in the OW. There's playing the game, and there's picking on the little ones. I don't mind killing ppl in OW but I do mind killing nations. DNP cannot be considered a "fifth collum" any less than RDNN can, especially since RDNN doesn't have much support from any other clan, and why should they? - RDNN has done nothing to promote the interests of others but their own. If taking pride in aiding all clans, large and small, traders as well as noobs in CS waters and basically helping others experience all facets of this game is to be considered "Fifth collum" activities.. Then I'm glad to be called rebellious by such a dishonourable and egotistical lot.

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39 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

What I forgot to say.

When Assassin got attacked in his Bellona the whole portbattle fleet of Danemark-Norge was assembled at CS harbour to sail to Basse-Terre. If DNP would run the country this PB-fleet would have immediately set sails to rescue a Bellona one of DNPs officers carelessly sailed without escort, instead of trying to conquer more territory for the glory of the nation.

This is no joke. After months of thinking about it it is still the official view of a clan, who thinks everything was bad what happened in Danemark-Norge under the supervision of RUS and RDNN. That's scaring.

lol first off - you don't need an entire PB fleet to scare off a few swedish surps.. two Bellonas would've been enough and it would've taken 10 mins.. 1 hour later assassin got out of the battle and you were still sitting in port.. And as far as I know DNP has never had any pretenses to "run" anything.. We don't try to speak on behalf of the nation.. As for this thread I think it's both a question of poor judgment and I can't say that I'm all that concerned.. Never saw a RDNN player (other than Dyfed for some reason) help others in OW and I don't expect I'll miss it now.. But gl to the RDNN traders ;)

 

EDIT: And btw.. We didn't enjoy getting blamed for the wilmington affair pre-wipe.. We didn't enjoy the nightflips (where were the vaunted RDNN back then? Only saw Tiedemann) and where were you?

 

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10 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

You really wanna tell the nation that the PB fleet should sent 2 captains to port to get a Bellona from somewhere else to rescue DNP officers, who sail alone with line ships? Why didn't Assassin join the PB fleet? What was sooo important that he couldn't help the nation? Oh I understand. Basse-Terre is almost an hour to sail with 1. Rates from CS. Too far for DNP. I remember we sailed 15 minutes later than planned, since one of our players was late, and we needed EVERYBODY WE COULD GET TO FILL UP THE FLEET. First off there were plenty of time till the PB fleet should set sail.. Secondly assassin WAS already in port in CS but seeing as it was a 3 mins sail up to CB for 2 surps and chances were that the swedes would simply leave.

If you didn't realize yet. RDNN has conquered three ports right next to each other. In those ports one can craft now every resource needed for ship building. They are so close together that there is no risk to sail from one port to the next, if you are careful, take the right wind and look around before you start sailing. A perfect place for all crafters and traders to do their business. Well congratulations. We don't really care about who get what ports. We wanted to ensure safety for the CS area - and if you cared to actually sail in the OW you'd have an idea of the problems the neutral ports represented and you'd know that the protected area only covers the CS area untill the halfway mark to the next port - regardless of proximity.

To blame RDNN you rather prefer taking party of our enemies instead of defending the interest of our nation. Now it is Christendom you name as key witness. Who comes next? Lord Vicious? But I have to disappoint you. The key "witness" - not that I needed one.. Was NorthViking. Christendom was telling for months nothing else than that he is a terrible diplomat. If he would have included hostility generation in this christmas truce, he should have negiotated such a rule. He forgot about it. What means he did a bad job for his nation. With blaming RDNN for the night flips you back-stab all of Danemark-Norge for a move of our enemies, which hit not only Danemark-Norge but Sweden and other members of the Eastern Alliance as well. What did the US pay you for such an infamous claim? The nightflips would've happened anyway - the timing and the intensity, and the inability for the playerbase to come to any sort of understanding stems from the lack of trust between factions. This I  place partly at the feet of NorthViking.

You're right. I only joined a few PBs at night. Since I have to work early. Does every player who is unable to play 24/7 has to fear your accusations in a Danemark-Norge ruled by your clan? You will probably play alone then. We all had to work early.

But at least you're honest and show what you really think about the duties a player in Danemark-Norge should have in your opinion. Just because we don't include RDNN in our protection doesn't mean that we forsake the danish nation. Any other clan can get all the help they want/need - including help setting up PBs so they can experience port ownership.

Graf - try to partake in a contested PB before hailing yourself as a "great" RvR player. And @North for good measure I make a link to you seen as I specifically mention you in the post. In all fairness you deserve the chance to a rebuttel.

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41 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

lol first off - you don't need an entire PB fleet to scare off a few swedish surps.. two Bellonas would've been enough and it would've taken 10 mins.. 1 hour later assassin got out of the battle and you were still sitting in port.. And as far as I know DNP has never had any pretenses to "run" anything.. We don't try to speak on behalf of the nation.. As for this thread I think it's both a question of poor judgment and I can't say that I'm all that concerned.. Never saw a RDNN player (other than Dyfed for some reason) help others in OW and I don't expect I'll miss it now.. But gl to the RDNN traders ;)

 

EDIT: And btw.. We didn't enjoy getting blamed for the wilmington affair pre-wipe.. We didn't enjoy the nightflips (where were the vaunted RDNN back then? Only saw Tiedemann) and where were you?

 

and have you been for the last year ? i only see you doing missions outside cs and crying in nation when you lose a ship to the swedes. i don't remember any pb won by dnp or anytime you sailed to help a ally in need.

and look at what you asking of us, rdnn should do the heavy lifting with port battle, diplomacy and protecting of every trader ship in our waters. im sorry but we expect ppl to be able to look after them self and when assassin was attacked nation chat was full of warnings about swedes on our waters and he went out anyway without any escort from his clan members. and you made a big deal about it and declared that you would no longer be helping us with anything unless we made a formal apology and gave him a new ship   

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1 minute ago, Rune said:

and have you been for the last year ? i only see you doing missions outside cs and crying in nation when you lose a ship to the swedes. i don't remember any pb won by dnp or anytime you sailed to help a ally in need.

and look at what you asking of us, rdnn should do the heavy lifting with port battle, diplomacy and protecting of every trader ship in our waters. im sorry but we expect ppl to be able to look after them self and when assassin was attacked nation chat was full of warnings about swedes on our waters and he went out anyway without any escort from his clan members. and you made a big deal about it and declared that you would no longer be helping us with anything unless we made a formal apology and gave him a new ship   

This is really not the case mate. A trader was attacked and assassin went to help. Afterwards we simply stated that if that level of fidelity between clans was what we could expect then why should we do more than others. We have not asked you to handle the "diplomacy" - especially not if that entails actively trying to avoid PBs and just flipping empty ports in order to get Victory marks. Ships are easy to come by - allways have been. Money is easy to come by - allways have been. And I don't believe anyone has ever heard me crying about losing a ship to anyone - for this I'd really like to bring in some testimonies.

@Peter Goldman @Cabral @HachiRoku @Otto Kohl

You have I believe all sunk me, and I think I've sunk a couple of you on occasion (though not as often as I'd like). My ingame handle is: Lars Kjaer

Those times I've lost ships have I then ever cried about the loss of a ship?

Now @Rune I've give you the courtesy of knowing my ingame nick - even though it is not a secret. Who are you that apparently only see me doing missions in the CS area?

Oh and the aforementioned captains would you like to comment on my many sealclubbings near KPR?

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1 minute ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

Probably you forgot that it was me who organized slots for you and McNight in contested PBs while I was a Swedish diplomat. And I participated in those PBs as well. Since you almost never join constested PBs, you cannot have an overview who has experience and who has not. You're not to blame for this. You're only to blame for having an opinion about things you have no idea.

So just another proof that you are unwilling to face reality. Anyway you know best how to rule a country.

Actually it does seem that this "conversation" is running in circles. I have stated several times that I and DNP has no pretense to "run" the country. Frankly I do not care what the other clans does or does not do. If they need help we help them. However I can in all honesty say that I will not be dictated what to do or not to do in the game either. And if this is not to RDNN's liking then by all means - cry all you want I can't say that I care that much.

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18 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

This is really not the case mate. A trader was attacked and assassin went to help. Afterwards we simply stated that if that level of fidelity between clans was what we could expect then why should we do more than others. We have not asked you to handle the "diplomacy" - especially not if that entails actively trying to avoid PBs and just flipping empty ports in order to get Victory marks. Ships are easy to come by - allways have been. Money is easy to come by - allways have been. And I don't believe anyone has ever heard me crying about losing a ship to anyone - for this I'd really like to bring in some testimonies.

@Peter Goldman @Cabral @HachiRoku @Otto Kohl

You have I believe all sunk me, and I think I've sunk a couple of you on occasion (though not as often as I'd like). My ingame handle is: Lars Kjaer

Those times I've lost ships have I then ever cried about the loss of a ship?

Now @Rune I've give you the courtesy of knowing my ingame nick - even though it is not a secret. Who are you that apparently only see me doing missions in the CS area?

Oh and the aforementioned captains would you like to comment on my many sealclubbings near KPR?

ohh im sorry i see now that dnp is doing there fair share for danish nation by ganking friendly's who we was fighting a war with instead of the Swedish we was fighting against. and its funny you bring it up because even though Sweden is only 5 min away from cs you chose to sail all way to kpr instead because it was easier to kill ppl there then in Swedish waters

and if you don't think that wanting a formal apology and new ship because we did not help out one of you clan mate is crying i don't know what it tbh      

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5 minutes ago, Rune said:

ohh im sorry i see now that dnp is doing there fair share for danish nation by ganking friendly's who we was fighting a war with instead of the Swedish we was fighting against. and its funny you bring it up because even though Sweden is only 5 min away from cs you chose to sail all way to kpr instead because it was easier to kill ppl there then in Swedish waters

and if you don't think that wanting a formal apology and new ship because we did not help out one of you clan mate is crying i don't know what it tbh      

I thought we never sailed more than 5 min away from CS and only did missions?

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7 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

As long as you realize that your ideas and advices are not good enough to bring Danemark-Norge forward everything is fine. By the way if you discuss with Northviking with proper arguments, he listens to you and quit often follows your advice. There is no dictatorship in Danemark-Norge. There is a permanent competition of the best ideas.

I really don't need endless debates - I for one is fine with RDNN doing whatever RDNN is doing and to my knowledge I haven't given any advice to any other clan as what to do or not do. I didn't agree with the attempt at Cartagena - the tar can easily be aquired through alts which kinda removes the notion of "strategic" ressources.. There's scarce ressources but really any clan can get hold of any ressource. The problem I had was that I asked RDNN what ports they would go for and I told them we would prioritize the area around CS and we were told that RT was the primary objective for RDNN - which was a blatant lie. If the port wasn't so important - what then would be the problem with ACN getting a Pasaje today? - no problem imo other than the inconveniance for RDNN.

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1 minute ago, Bearwall said:

 I didn't agree with the attempt at Cartagena - the tar can easily be aquired through alts which kinda removes the notion of "strategic" ressources..

with that logic why should we take any port at all ? we could just keep our 2 starting port and be safe and use alts to get everything else we need

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2 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

You only said you will build a new one lol

Oh and I have actually.. A smudge faster and a lot less sturdy.. Shame I didn't get to blow up the last time ;)

 

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3 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

Wasn't it you who claimed a few posts before that Road Town was so important to take that this should have happened already the first day? Now you argue that Road Town is so unimportant that we could have waited a few more days. Like in most cases truth is somewhere in the middle. Road Town was important to take. But Cartagena was more important. But instead of confessing that, you rather cut off all players without British alt from getting Cartahena Tar. Probably you are one of those guys who sell it for millions and fear about this possibility to exploit your fellow citizens.

RT was my priority - and I was told RDNN wanted to go for it first. I don't care who takes it but I do care wether it get taken or not. And I do not like being lied to nor slandered. Something I unfortunately have become accustomed to from RDNNs side. What I don't really get is all the fuzz.. It's not like anything has changed - RDNN won't help DNP, well that wasn't really the case pre-wipe either, DNP won't help RDNN, well that's actually the only thing that has changed post-wipe.. But - if all we do is sail around CS and do missions and the occassional trip to KPR (apparently I only come to GS to trade..) then why the hussle? Why all this drama?

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2 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

RT was my priority - and I was told RDNN wanted to go for it first. I don't care who takes it but I do care wether it get taken or not. And I do not like being lied to nor slandered. Something I unfortunately have become accustomed to from RDNNs side. What I don't really get is all the fuzz.. It's not like anything has changed - RDNN won't help DNP, well that wasn't really the case pre-wipe either, DNP won't help RDNN, well that's actually the only thing that has changed post-wipe.. But - if all we do is sail around CS and do missions and the occassional trip to KPR (apparently I only come to GS to trade..) then why the hussle? Why all this drama?

we don't have problem with you not helping us. but when other nation want the map win just maybe they will remember that all of dnp port will be easy to take because your clan has no pb experience and not enough members to fill a pb

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2 minutes ago, Graf Bernadotte said:

That's what I ask myself aswell. You just could have accepted our statement. But it seems to bother you.

Not really - I was just playing along. Granted @Anolytic did make his look a lot better but as most ppl that have read my many posts on these forums will testify - IT-skills is not really my strong suit. But by all means if anyone wants to make a poster like @Anolytics then I'll gladly sign it if the wordings are to the effect I desired.

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3 minutes ago, Rune said:

we don't have problem with you not helping us. but when other nation want the map win just maybe they will remember that all of dnp port will be easy to take because your clan has no pb experience and not enough members to fill a pb

lol let us worry about that nameless one :)

 

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@Bearwall this was a announcement and not a discussion or suggestion.

RUS/RDNN will not help DNP in any rvr action, either it be offensive or defensive! we will not protect any of your holdings in the carrabien and this only regards DNP and no other danish clan.

As ports now are hold by clan and not nation it is up to each induvidual clan to organize a defense and RUS/RDNN will help if asked by other clans to protect their holdings.

There is nothing to discuss here Bearwall, this is how it is and will be in all future aswell!

 


 
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10 hours ago, North said:

@Bearwall this was a announcement and not a discussion or suggestion.

RUS/RDNN will not help DNP in any rvr action, either it be offensive or defensive! we will not protect any of your holdings in the carrabien and this only regards DNP and no other danish clan.

As ports now are hold by clan and not nation it is up to each induvidual clan to organize a defense and RUS/RDNN will help if asked by other clans to protect their holdings.

There is nothing to discuss here Bearwall, this is how it is and will be in all future aswell!

 



 

Along those lines btw. It's up to each clan to protect it's own traders - hence my own follow up announcement. The entire conversation after is basically pointless.

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My thoughts on this statement:

1) This is a personal vendetta and shouldn't have come to this. RDNN is punishing a group of people because they do not like certain people within our clan. I think it is our right not to agree on decisions made by other clans. RDNN should respect this without trying their utmost to destroy DNP. This invitation to our enemies to come into core Danish waters and take danish ports should be regarded as high treason (or at least a very childish reaction to not getting your will). Luckily we have got a lot of backing from all the other Danish clans the last two days - which we appreciate much.

2) The decision to include clan RUS is this matter is not fair. I can see why RDNN would do this - since the statement without RUS would be pretty much worthless. RUS have absolutely no part in this feud and should be left out of this. We still regard them as our friends and hope they will come to reason in the near future, since this matter is absolutely for no good for our nation.

3) The comments and reactions of Graf Bernadotte is in my mind tending to be embarrassing. The arrogance and disrespect tells a lot of a person who I have had great respect for in the past.

Overall lets this be a feud between RDNN and DNP and leave all other out of this - including RUS.

Furthermore: We should start cooperate in the nation again. But this time all the clans who wants to be a part of RvR should have the right to be a part of the decision making. We should discard the process where one clan dictates what to do and involve more people in meetings for all the clan leaders and strategists. 

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