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Intrepido    2,183
1 hour ago, admin said:

Important update

We won't accept long lists of ships.

We want YOU to make a choice. we want You do decide which ship you want.

Lists will be ignored unless we find something very very special there. 

Please if you are interested in a certain ship getting into a game. Post that ship alone. 

Then, considering some guys proposed several ships in the same pòst or several posts with only one ship, without choosing his final proposal, the 90% of this thread do not match with the requirements demanded.

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pietjenoob    278
2 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Then, considering some guys proposed several ships in the same pòst or several posts with only one ship, without choosing his final proposal, the 90% of this thread do not match with the requirements demanded.

reason why i do now a selection of ships

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Sella22    638

We might need a new thread..  This is getting a bit messy since the instructions weren't clear at first.  Or at least some serious moderation and cleaning

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Sea Fox    33

As a fan of the smaller ships this is my pick

 


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Enterprise is known as the third USS Enterprise (1799). It was built by Henry Spence at Baltimore, MD, in 1799. This schooner was also called "the Lucky Little Enterprise”, a 125 ton brig. USS Enterprise was changed, repaired and rebilt many times during its career between 1799 and 1823. It changed from a 12-gun schooner to a 14-gun topsail schooner and eventually to a 16-gun brig. USS Enterprise was commanded by many famous officers in the US Naval history and won many victories at various sites. To name a few, John Shaw (the Quasi-War with France), Andrew Sterett (the First Barbary War), and Stephen Decatur, Jr. (burning frigate Philadelphia).

 

 

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Sea Fox    33

Also (and I know this isn't a battle ship) how about a fishing ship? A whaler? Something you could take to unmarked hotspots to pick up big money! Bullsharks and manta Ray's would be common catches and whales rare but BIG money!

 

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We will never have good trafalgars without some french or spanish third rates.

So why not. I support the idea of the spanish third rate Montañes, which took part in Trafalgar and survived.

 

About all those dutch models, most of them are quite ugly. The stern decoration are meh. Also most of the prizes the british took from the dutch werent in active service a long time because their shipbuilding was trash in comparison with most nations.

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Mrgoldstein    113
4 hours ago, Admiral Horatio Hornblower said:

 

About all those dutch models, most of them are quite ugly. The stern decoration are meh. Also most of the prizes the british took from the dutch werent in active service a long time because their shipbuilding was trash in comparison with most nations.

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about..

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Fluffy Fishy    741

I thought I might look at the ideas and potential additions from the venetian list of Venetian ships and While this isn't going to be a list of suggestions, this is a little warning to the devs a little like one of my previous posts on this thread just as a caution when looking at potential Venetian ships and the possibilities to model them accurately enough to put them in the game. There is quite a bit of dificult with the records of venetian ships and this mostly comes from the prominence of the Venetians using models as ther main reference in construction much later than the likes of the Atlantic nations, this is almost always the case until various reforms undertaken in the mid to late 18th century by Venetians who studied shipbuilding in England and the Netherlands and until the 1770s it was really quite uncommon for ships to be planned out in the same fashion of western and northern Europe. Generally speaking Venetian ships were built using two references, The shipwright would build a model, and draw a picture, similar to concept drawings we see with modern architecture depending on where the shipwright studied would generally determine how extensive the concept drawing was and how complex/if they would include contours to show the shape of the hull so as to complement the models being used, you can see this in a respect by the post made by Leboiteux on the San Michael Arcangelo, however plans were usually more extensive when included with the Venetian 1st rates. This source issue adds to the other issue I mentioned earlier in the thread, the problem of the single hull construction.

As a list of visual sources as far as I am aware of broken down by main ratings of the Venetian navy:

  • 1st Rate:
    • Giove Fulminante (62 guns, 1667); Both the model and plans are lost, although some paintings exist.
    • San Lorenzo Zustinian (70 guns, 1691); Some surviving drawings, a modern reconstruction, model some paintings from the Morean wars exist.
    • Corona (74 guns, 1711); No plans, no model, no paintings.
    • Leon Trionfante (70 guns 1716); Many plans drawings and paintings, no model.
    • San Carlo Borromeo (66 guns, 1750), numerous plans exist alongside a model (I beleive the model is housed in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum)
    • "1780"/La Harpe (70/74, 1797 Completed by France, Double hulled); extensive plans, no model, a picture of her as a prison ship.
  • 2nd Rate:
    • Drago Volante (48 guns, 1674); No plans, No pictures, possible model housed in Boston Art Museum
    • San Marco Grande (56 guns, 1684); no model, no plans, no painting
    • Sant Andrea (60 guns, 1685); no plans, no model, no paintings.
    • Fede Guerriera (60 guns, 1693); no model, no plans, no paintings.
    • San Spiridion (58 guns,1717); No plans, some drawings, no paintings.
    • Sant Andrea II (40/56 guns, 1724 Fregata Grossa); possible drawings, possible paintings, no plans no model.
    • San Michiel Arcangelo (40/56 guns, 1749 Fregata Grossa); Nice drawings, basic plans, no model, no paintings.
    • Speranza (40/58 guns, 1757 Fregata Grossa); Basic drawings, no model, some paintings, no plans.
    • Vigilanza (40/56 guns, 1766 Fregata Grossa); Possible plans (unconfirmed),  no model, no plans, possible paintings.
    • Fama (66 guns, 1784 Fregata Grossa, Double hulled); extensive plans, extensive drawings, a model situated in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum, some great paintings too.
  • 3rd Rate:
    • Madonna Della Salute (44 guns, 1675); no plans, no model, no paintings.
    • Sant Andtonio da Padova (44 guns, 1684); no plans, no model, no paintings.
    • Monton d'Oro (24 guns, 1688); Basic Drawings, no plans, no model, no paintings.
    • Scudo Delle Fede; (52 guns, 1715) no plans, no model, no paintings.
    • Costanza II (28 guns, 1757): Basic drawings, no plans, no model.
    • Palma (38 guns, 1784, Double hulled) : No Drawings, no model but there are likely plans out there in France due to their capture, Medusa and Bellona saw service under the french, medusa being renamed Leoben and Bellona being captured again by the British in 1811 becoming HMS Dover.
    • Pallade (24 guns, 1786, Double Hulled); Good plans, no model, no drawings, no paintings.
    • Cerere (32 guns, 1794, Double Hulled); Likely has plans out there, she saw french service under the name Mantoue, no paintings, no model.
    • "44 Cannoni"/Muiron (44 guns 1797 completed by France, Double Hulled). Good plans, Great model, some nice paintings too.

While this is a fairly extensive list this is just from my long time trying to match up ships to drawings and doing a fair amount of research into the Venetian navy, there are also a lot of other unnamed craft out there, some named some not but its a lot like wading through treacle thanks to the difficulty posed by the destructive nature of Napoleon's looting combined with the methods used in Venetian naval design. Despite the lack of visual evidence there are good records on the dimensions of the ships, with a very rough silhouette drawing in a similar way to the ww2 identification charts but in colour, these are housed in the Venetian Archives.

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Sella22    638

Göta Lejon

Swedish 3rd Rate

70-76 guns

1746

Göta Lejon was built in Karskrona in 1746.She was rebuilt in 1769-1770 and served until 1816 when she was broken up.

 

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Model from Swedish Museum:

 

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Dimensions:

Lenght of Gundeck: 164' Swedish Aln

Breadth:  44' Swedish Aln

Depth in Hold: 20' 6'' Swedish Aln

Displacement: 2050-2100 ton

 

Card from the museum:

 

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Plans:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f006tmsye11huk/24.1a.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uhtnyax2qg1wg1f/24.1b.pdf?dl=0

 

 

Armament(1746):

Lower Gun Deck: 28 x Swedish 24-Pounder
Upper Gun Deck: 26 x Swedish 18-Pounder
Quarterdeck/Forecastle: 22 x Swedish 6-Pounder

Armament(1770):

Lower Gun Deck: 26 x Swedish 24-Pounder
Upper Gun Deck: 26 x Swedish 18-Pounder
Quarterdeck/Forecastle: 22 x Swedish 6-Pounder

From Illustrerad Svensk sjökrigshistoria: delen. Omfattande tiden intill 1680 by Gunnar Unge:

https://books.google.gr/books?id=RchAAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA305&lpg=RA1-PA305&dq=G%C3%B6ta+Lejon+1746&source=bl&ots=cqUK57WfQh&sig=HCvcixW-EML7fwOSAgOWj15TiQY&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjypcXmza_PAhXGXBQKHRCxBqYQ6AEIYDAM#v=onepage&q=G%C3%B6ta%20Lejon&f=false

Sources:http://digitaltmuseum.se/021025898367#&gid=1&pid=11

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10890

http://felipe.mbnet.fi/html/body_gota_lejon_1746.html

http://felipe.mbnet.fi/Sweden/Sweden_Ships_1700-1860/sweden_ships_1700-1860.html

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Lejon_(1746)

Original thread:http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/16653-göta-lejon-swedish-3rd-rate-1746-with-plans/

 

 

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Sella22    638

Nau Principe da Beira

Portuguese 44(?) or 54(?) guns

1774

 

 

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About the guns,sources say that she mounted 44 guns but i counted at least 52.

Not to be mistaked with the Princesa da Beira: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7891

Sources: http://triganices.blogspot.gr/2012/01/nau-princepe-da-beira.html

http://marinhadeguerraportuguesa.blogspot.gr/2013_10_01_archive.html

http://museu.marinha.pt/pt/exposicoes/exposicaopermanente/SeculoXVIII/Paginas/default.aspx

http://3decks.pbworks.com/f/Catalogo+dos+navios+brigantinos+%281640-1910%29+-+Esparteiro.pdf

Original thread:

 

Edited by Sella22

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Sella22    638

Yes, i know it's this ship again but a man can dream , can't he? :D In hope that something Greek, actually makes it into a game like this, i present:

Hellas

Greek frigate

62 guns

1826

 

 

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Characteristics:
Length:54 m
Width: 14m
Tonnage:1728 t
Draft:4.2 m

 

Guns:48(16 pdr) + 16 carronades(42 pdr)

Her plans


Sources:http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/h/hudson-i.html

Model: http://greekshipmodels.com/ships/fregata-ellas/

 

Better resolution plans here: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24398454M/The_history_of_the_American_sailing_Navy 

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Sella22    638

Yes, i know it's this ship again but a man can dream , can't he? :D In hope that something Greek, actually makes it into a game like this, i also present:

Don't stone me to death pls :P

Loudovikos(Louis)

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Loudovikos was a corvette of the Hellenic Navy built in 1838 at the Poros Naval Shipyard, designed by naval architect Georgios Tombazis. It was a relatively large ship (length 44.1 m, 1000-ton displacement), was armed with two 22-lb plus four 20-lb long guns, and twenty-four 32-lb carronades, and had a crew of 182. The ship was not operationally utilized, and since 1846 it was used as a training ship (renamed Messolongion in 1862). It officially remained in service with the Hellenic Navy until 1873.
 
 
 
Lenght:44.1 meters
Width:11.7 meters
Draft:4.5 meters
Tonnage:1016 tons
Crew: 182  

 

Armamament: 2 x 22 pounder guns
                       4 x 20 pounder long guns
                    24  x 32 pounder carronades
 
 
 
More images,model and info at(in Greek):http://www.greekshipmodels.com/default.aspx?pageid=170

 

Ship plans:



The pictures of the ship's plans where taken from the Hellenic Maritime Museum where they are exhibited.

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flewfy1    22

Dutch 80 Gun Lineship  Wreker

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Nationality Batavian Republic
Operator State Navy
Keel Laid Down 1797/12/01  
Launched 1798/07/28  
Shipyard Amsterdam Naval Yard  
Ship Class Wreeker Class
Constructor R. Dorman  
Category Third Rate  
National Rate First Charter
Ship Type Ship of the Line
   
     
Length of Gundeck         169' 11"French Feet
Length of Keel                 159' 6"French Feet
Breadth                               44' 5"French Feet
Depth in Hold                     19' 2"French Feet
Draught Forward               18' 4"French Feet
Draught Aft                        19' 2"French Feet
Displacement                    2900Ton
 
     

Armament


1798/07/28Broadside Weight = 1188 Dutch pound (1293.732 lbs 586.9908 kg)
Lower Gun Deck                            28 Dutch 36-Pounder
Upper Gun Deck                            30 Dutch 30-Pounder
Quarterdeck/Forecastle                 2 Dutch 60-Pound Carronade
Quarterdeck/Forecastle                 6 Dutch 30-Pound Carronade
Quarterdeck/Forecastle               14 Dutch 12-Pounder
   
   
   
   
Blue Prints    
   

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/d3334e0c-e36e-7b05-068a-af695abc716b

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/a838b382-5dff-6a82-ef64-11abf42868a4

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/64f8629a-b3b2-a07e-7b31-11b39d1fb2c8

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/7c66280f-faea-6082-115b-6f2efd5104b0

 

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pietjenoob    278
24 minutes ago, flewfy1 said:

Dutch 80 Gun Lineship  Wreker

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Nationality Batavian Republic
Operator State Navy
Keel Laid Down 1797/12/01  
Launched 1798/07/28  
Shipyard Amsterdam Naval Yard  
Ship Class Wreeker Class
Constructor R. Dorman  
Category Third Rate  
National Rate First Charter
Ship Type Ship of the Line
   
     
Length of Gundeck         169' 11"French Feet
Length of Keel                 159' 6"French Feet
Breadth                               44' 5"French Feet
Depth in Hold                     19' 2"French Feet
Draught Forward               18' 4"French Feet
Draught Aft                        19' 2"French Feet
Displacement                    2900Ton
 
     

Armament


1798/07/28Broadside Weight = 1188 Dutch pound (1293.732 lbs 586.9908 kg)
Lower Gun Deck                            28 Dutch 36-Pounder
Upper Gun Deck                            30 Dutch 30-Pounder
Quarterdeck/Forecastle                 2 Dutch 60-Pound Carronade
Quarterdeck/Forecastle                 6 Dutch 30-Pound Carronade
Quarterdeck/Forecastle               14 Dutch 12-Pounder
   
   
   
   
Blue Prints    
   

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/d3334e0c-e36e-7b05-068a-af695abc716b

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/a838b382-5dff-6a82-ef64-11abf42868a4

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/64f8629a-b3b2-a07e-7b31-11b39d1fb2c8

http://proxy.handle.net/10648/7c66280f-faea-6082-115b-6f2efd5104b0

 

Admiraal Zoutman, Wreker class yes, and more intresting a floating dock the Republic used a lot

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flewfy1    22
29 minutes ago, pietjenoob said:

Admiraal Zoutman, Wreker class yes, and more intresting a floating dock the Republic used a lot

Amsterdam Naval Yard bild 7 ships of the Wreker class

Wreker       1798

Chattam    1799

Zoutman   1800

De Ruyter  1806

Leeuw        1806

De Ruyter  1808

Evertsen    1808

This where exectly the seem bild ships

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