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Peter Goldman    1,274
7 hours ago, Cabral said:

 Don't quit the game, join EU server. Leave Global to BLACK.

jajajajaja, the situation on EU is not any better, just more limitations. Same RvR problems, same seal clubbing problems. 

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Simon Cadete    114

Just to clarify, I'm not just using global' recent history but also pvp 2's as well.

We've been here before where the US and GB retook their ports back after population went down and ports weren't being defended.

That is the reason I blame the player base and not the developers themselves 

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Skully    1,022
15 minutes ago, Simon Cadete said:

Just to clarify, I'm not just using global' recent history but also pvp 2's as well.

We've been here before where the US and GB retook their ports back after population went down and ports weren't being defended.

That is the reason I blame the player base and not the developers themselves 

I think it is silly to blame either players or devs if there is only 1 pro team on the server.

There will only be one worthy opponent ever, yourselves. ;)

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Rebrall    87
54 minutes ago, Simon Cadete said:

Just to clarify, I'm not just using global' recent history but also pvp 2's as well.

We've been here before where the US and GB retook their ports back after population went down and ports weren't being defended.

That is the reason I blame the player base and not the developers themselves 

Something for you to ponder upon here, you used a mechnic which that ink said was legitimate but the issue is it was seen by the players as a exploit unfortunately the damage was done people gave up, then you said you wanted fights then set PBS when we could barley get a rag tag group together, I'm not attacking you but maybe you should see things from another side of the coin, the games dead cause of everyone being selfish 

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JG14_Cuzn    169

Ahhh.... The Naval Action rendition of the: 'Goodbye it was all your fault'  Internet Post.  

Dont leave: just hide out in an outlaw battle for 236 days.  

 

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Pelennor    194

After the server wipe, only GB has offered us a challenge, and they gave up after loosing only one 4th rate PB :(

50 minutes ago, Rebrall said:

the players as a exploit unfortunately the damage was done people gave up

No, one day, you (and ppl doing the same thing) will have to admit you just use that as an excuse to not fight us. We are used to such behavior: US did the same, FR did the same, there is always an excuse to not show up in PB. I can't blame you, not every nation can afford to loose about 10 1st rate each PB. I hate to recognize that, but maybe the game has gone too hardcore, advantaging BLACK organization, and making it too hard for more casual players.

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Hodo    2,252
20 minutes ago, JG14_Cuzn said:

Ahhh.... The Naval Action rendition of the: 'Goodbye it was all your fault'  Internet Post.  

Dont leave: just hide out in an outlaw battle for 236 days.  

 

But they would be open for 236 days... you mean...

Us one of their 20+ alts to tag them into a battle and sit there till things get good.

 

I know I have gone somewhere else for a while.  Other games have gone in to their finale phase of testing and I went back to a real sandbox.   

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z4ys    1,613

Why should anyone do pbs? Most resources are accessible at the capital region especially for ships up to 5th rate. So even a one ported nation has no problems to build ships even without alts.

Portbattles take a lot of time:

- Grinding hostility

- Organize 25 people

- Meet in advance and sail to named port

- fight the battle

- sail back

Compared to OW you can start and stop playing whenever you want. You can do a break whenever you want. You don't depend on 24 other people.

Marks are a joke. Nobody needs them they are even accessible through pve. So why should anyone join the selfpunishment? For fun for honor? There are other ways to have fun. Honor? Who really cares about a useless dot?

As long losing a port doesn't really hurt nobody will really spend a day hunting a coloured dot. But yeah that's not causal friendly.

So in my opinion RvR only makes sense in a hardcore game enviorment and is nothing that should be in a causal game environment (which NA is turning into)

To make RvR interesting especially with that clan vs clan (war company vs war company) ports have to produce stuff people want but which are not important for gameplay.

Let ports produce certain paint. People will crush their heads to get hands on paints. Make paints even soul bound to end this alt nightmare.

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Teutonic    1,056
8 hours ago, Christendom said:

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Honestly surprised this thread of blame didn't start sooner. BLACK is good at the blame game after all.

 

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Vernon Merrill    2,436
36 minutes ago, Pelennor said:

After the server wipe, only GB has offered us a challenge, and they gave up after loosing only one 4th rate PB :(

No, one day, you (and ppl doing the same thing) will have to admit you just use that as an excuse to not fight us. We are used to such behavior: US did the same, FR did the same, there is always an excuse to not show up in PB. I can't blame you, not every nation can afford to loose about 10 1st rate each PB. I hate to recognize that, but maybe the game has gone too hardcore, advantaging BLACK organization, and making it too hard for more casual players.

LOL...  still talking about Port Battles...

Those are so 2016, mate...

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5 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

Honestly surprised this thread of blame didn't start sooner. BLACK is good at the blame game after all.

I am sure there will be a much misspelled "manifesto" from black soon enough.

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No need to get personal.  The server population just wasn't enough once things went really wonky after the clan reshuffles. Time to review the results and restructure the game.  Let's have less salt, and more constructive thinking about the future.

 

Edited by Barbancourt (rownd)

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koltes    1,982

Koltes did not disappear. My enemies perished. Im just enjoying a company of this lovely girl Lily in Mort's brothel while its all quet.

Thats what pirates do. Its time to spend our fortunes in taverns and public houses on women, rum and dice.

 

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Bach    1,274
17 hours ago, Simon Cadete said:

For a little over a year now, the pirate clan BLACK, has been the source of 90% of activity in pvp 2 or global. Now that population is falling faster than ever before with peak numbers of 115, I wonder what would happen if we just "vanished". I have to say that the lack of large engagements or ganks  as the only source of pvp, really took a toll on our numbers and population as well.

Possibly we'll come back if changes are made but there is nothing the developers can do about "bad" population that play in global. History repeats itself and again, now that they sense that BLACK is gone all the 1st rates and Bellonas start coming out again. Where were they before?!

This just goes to say, enjoy your pve server. I blame this whole thing on the US and GB.

I don't think it was GB or USA. By far it was a combination of factors. Many of which relate back to the fact that the RvR end game currently has an enherant flaw. That is that it essentially ends the game of a RvR.  So much of the rest of the game ties to and relies on RvR that the population soon dies off following the RvR die off.

This was going to likely happen regardless of the USA, GB or even BLACK.  For example, the forced no RvR peace treaties and night flips between the Dane, French, Dutch, Swedes, GB and BLACK had already killed off RvR in the Eastern map.   Meanwhile a clear dominant winner had emerged in the West that GB and USA were not reasonably capable of keeping up with and this essentially killed off RvR in the West.  Meanwhile reaching the shipbuilding cap of 1st rates, max needed funds and lack of ship losses subsequently killed off the Econ game. What is left behind is low risk PVE and Capital port ganking. And here we are.

Somehow RvR needs to become more dynamic or cyclic with nations having ups and downs, peace needs to be un achievable or undesirable and reaching max Econ/funds needed has to be unsustainable.  Game was dying no matter what GB, USA or BLACK did. All any of us affected was how long it took.

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Bart Smith    1,622

Remember before wipe all saying EU will be dead - seems like global players will back here. At least join weak nations for some balance chaps - otherwise we will have 2 dead servers :lol:

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Serk    243

What difference would joining a weak nation make, as we can't get involved in RVR anyway? 

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Otto Kohl    2,037
9 minutes ago, Bart Smith said:

Remember before wipe all saying EU will be dead - seems like global players will back here. At least join weak nations for some balance chaps - otherwise we will have 2 dead servers :lol:

EU is dead too.

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Bach    1,274
3 minutes ago, Bart Smith said:

Remember before wipe all saying EU will be dead - seems like global players will back here. At least join weak nations for some balance chaps - otherwise we will have 2 dead servers :lol:

Im not sure joining weak nation would accomplish much due to time zone issues.  First, we can't effectively RvR spread around 8 nations on off PB cycles.  It would spread us so thin we may as well stay on Global or just play on the weekends early enough to join the EU players.  To be honest, I'm not sure what would work. But with PvP being the only competitive play method 5 days out of 7 it is logical to expect one of two things to happen. Either server transfers will just play pirates or they will join the most land owning nations, for the teleport abilities, and play privateers.  I'm not sure EU server has anything to offer transfers but the hunting game.

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Hodo    2,252
19 minutes ago, Bart Smith said:

Remember before wipe all saying EU will be dead - seems like global players will back here. At least join weak nations for some balance chaps - otherwise we will have 2 dead servers :lol:

Why so we cant do anything because of the 5 hours of RVR ONLY for the EU server?   

LOL no.  I will just go play something else.

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Raekur    100

The other issue was that it became a war of attrition and as long as BLACK was not losing ships they were able to maintain a long running campaign and build in power (experience to open slots). The economy and the painful grind to generate funds to build replacement ships became a major issue. Trade runs slowly became worthless as the sale value would drop to 1 and there were very few other items to move that would produce a profit. Slowly trade goods were ignored and ship materials were adopted as a commodity and the pattern repeated with the sale value dropping to 1. What this shows is that there were too many traders operating in the same area and this forced the saturation of many items. Even looking at relocating to another area slowly became too much as that new location would quickly dry up. This is not even taking into account the pirate activity. Many times there were players spotted sitting outside trade hubs in basic cutters who were doing absolutely nothing for HOURS. The explanation of they are just fishing is weak at best as fish can be generated by just enabling the option while moving from place to place or if you need fish that bad, do it at a different port NOT right outside a port that sees heavy trader activity. 

So, long story short is this, BLACK won by not being forced to have to replace ships because they had the skill and the funds could not be generated by their opponents at a rate that could present a challenge to them. Fight them and lose enough times and when it takes several weeks to replace a ship then the rinse and repeat of it all get dull very quickly. Dropping the durability to 1 forced the need to build ships more often and this became regulated by being able to generate funds to support the building process so when the generation of funds grinds to a halt so would the building of ships. This repeats what occurred before with people not wanting to PvP because of fear of losing a ship that would not be replaced. Large clans could come together and help each other and thus maintain a battle fleet for a longer period but even that would eventually fade due to the frustration of having to spend weeks just to generate the resources needed to craft a ship that would be lost within the week. Simon complains that why is the US bringing their first rates out now and the answer may well be due to the fact that they now have been able to replace their losses where as a week ago they had not. I am not with the US so I can only surmise a reason. Take that into account with the fact that if the pirates are sitting there in a battle group with several first rates then there is no way to use guerrilla tactics to try to wear that kind of fleet down. Prior to the battle group the tactic of targetting one and splitting it off from the rest of the group worked and there was a way to cause losses using a smaller force to combat a larger one. There were complaints filed regarding that and the battle group was created, issue is that is the very thing that turned the game into a war of attrition and constant grinding to be able to build replacement ships. More players were forced into trade vessels and thus became very easy targets due to trade ships having the combat capacity of a dingy when used to move cargo and not act in the capacity of a Q ship.

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Christendom    2,051
43 minutes ago, Simon Cadete said:

Why are the US  players bringing out theirs 1st rates now and not before? That's the question I really want answered

Because the server population is half what it was a month ago and people stopped giving a shit.  Are you still trying to stroke your ego with the server barely cracking 130 people during prime time?  I mean honestly are you really that dense?  The game is basically dying and you still care about petty nation squabbles and how amazing your clan is.  BLACK is that one big fish left alive in a pond with no water just sitting there flapping around waiting to die.    No one cares about you anymore.

Grow up. 

Edited by Christendom

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JG14_Cuzn    169
48 minutes ago, Simon Cadete said:

Why are the US  players bringing out theirs 1st rates now and not before? That's the question I really want answered

no offense dude but didn't you say goodbye and leave?    Or is this truly going to be a 14 page Internet goodbye? 

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Simon Cadete    114

Well I don't want to anger the JG guy so I'll make this my last post. The solution to a longer life in this server would have been to have gone to pvp 1 where the quality of the enemy was better providing a better more lasting challenge. In conclusion, the server was too weak or the clan too powerful. Pick one. Having said this, I'm outta here...

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