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5 hours ago, JG14_Cuzn said:

And here we agree.  

The absolute worst move the devs have made regarding this latest incarnation of naval action was the nerfing  of PVP marks. 

Why they decided this is beyond me. 

Pvp marks should be the pinnacle...peak...apex...zenith of Marks  

if i were making these decisions I would make pvp marks the highest   Mark  then the conquest/victory mark below them to craft mods or larger ships  

but I'm not a dev

 

 

 

90% of every problem in this game is not understanding the game.

yea everyone agrees with you on this point...... the problem is that Cry babys (and omg we have so many) that think Alt farming is a thing it . You can go back 6 months and at lest once every 2 days someone is bitching about alts in a new post.  It is by far the most and the less of many shady things you can do with one, and a waste of time.  You could get 200 combat marks for a kill on a 5th in pvp and still not be worth the time. To alt Farm.  

Assume you can mutli task like a god and have many monitors,  So lets Do some math, you got unlimited alts.  Bad ass computer. 5th rates. 

  • Come out of port with main and Alt wait 2 min before attack (move to side of alt)
  • loading screen then wait for battle to begin another 2 min
  • fire one broad side into a perfect pull then surrender with alt leave battle wait another 2 mins
  • If your another alt is already coming out side can wait with each other the start over with 2 mins.
  • Pulling multi Ships at once actually takes more time as You will have to put sails up and turn to get a shot 2nd boat.
  • All facts and Video Proof I have

 

So more than 6 min if you do it perfect every single time, not going to Happen so we will go with 7 min. (7 is a joke also) but remember you are a god in this game. 

60 min /7 min you could kill 8 alts(lol) you paid for 40 bucks for on your main that you paid 40 bucks for in a Hour.. LOL yea noway you could do this many but we will go with it you are perfect even if you can't tell time.

  • Really good boarder can cap a ship in 6-10 min once loaded into a battle. but we are gods let us not forget, 5 mins just to make number even
  • Travel time to battle 2-8 mins avg hello kitty it lets say always 5
  • Travel time back 5mins with caped boat
  • Don't forget no xp or marks for captured boats.

Total time to get 8 boats 2 hours

So now my 8 alt kills in only hour is Now really 8 alt kills in 3 hours. (2.6 alt kills and hour if you are a GOD) You see were I going I hope, and you under stand basic math. In reality less than 2, but maybe in god mode more than 1 and hour for time spent.

How much money you need to have dock space slots just to have that many ships.

YOU WILL GET NO UPGRADES EVER

I can run missions in same amount of time and get more marks with no prep time included, or/and expense by a factor of 4 or 5.  and get avg of 2 upgrades an hour.

I am sorry, Not really, How stupid can you people be, I see this post at lest once a week. I have posted this before. Do they not teach math in school anymore.  If Someone wants to do this let them they are hurting themselves not you.

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1 hour ago, Captain Lust said:

Probably because pvp is so hard to find ( if you arent bashing noobs at the capital ) that it would take forever to get enough for all upgrades you want / need and also to comfort all the carebears so they have no reason to leave the greenzone and fortrange at all...

upgrades do not drop for PVP.  You will get more upgrades and better upgrades in PVE drops, faster than you can make marks for the shit ones you get at store. I was able to get every 4-5 upgrade u can get that people might actually use for my main and my Alt by maxing out connie once with a lot of extras left over. Thing is I might use 1 upgrade that you could buy from a store the other 4 slots or the rare drop ones.

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Whining about damage farming is horseshit. It has in fact led to Pirates behaving as a Nation. http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/15676-x-files-the-pirate-corruption/

So is crying about PvP vs PvE rewards. Both should be equal (to prevent the outcries / abuses of either side).

If a ship is sunk, I don't care who sunk it or whose ship it was, the value of the ship should be translated into rewards.

In essence any form of ship sink is a gold to XP converter.

(And ultimately who cares if somebody is a master farmer, once they get into real combat they'll get their arses handed to them.)

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3 hours ago, Skully said:

So is crying about PvP vs PvE rewards. Both should be equal (to prevent the outcries / abuses of either side).

If a ship is sunk, I don't care who sunk it or whose ship it was, the value of the ship should be translated into rewards.

Except for sinking a player might be actual effort depending on player skill compared to sinking a bot. Add to that the fact that vs players there is a good chance you lose your ship if you aren't bashing scrubs and that you have to find other players for pvp ( which lets be honest is a challenge in itself with the current player numbers depending on what nation you play ) which takes additional time and alot of it too usually... sooooo why would your average player go for pvp if pve yields the same reward or as it is now alot more than pvp? Just wondering...

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6 hours ago, JobaSet said:

upgrades do not drop for PVP.  You will get more upgrades and better upgrades in PVE drops, faster than you can make marks for the shit ones you get at store. I was able to get every 4-5 upgrade u can get that people might actually use for my main and my Alt by maxing out connie once with a lot of extras left over. Thing is I might use 1 upgrade that you could buy from a store the other 4 slots or the rare drop ones.

I was talking about when upgrades in admiralty store were only available for pvp marks. 100 pvp marks for opt rudder or marines for example didn't come by easy for the average player...

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3 minutes ago, Captain Lust said:

Except for sinking a player might be actual effort depending on player skill compared to sinking a bot. Add to that the fact that vs players there is a good chance you lose your ship if you aren't bashing scrubs and that you have to find other players for pvp ( which lets be honest is a challenge in itself with the current player numbers depending on what nation you play ) which takes additional time and alot of it too usually... sooooo why would your average player go for pvp if pve yields the same reward or as it is now alot more than pvp? Just wondering...

True, sinking a player takes more effort and thus should yield more reward. But then you have effectively created a faucet which is exploitable through alts.

The game can not discern whether you are sinking a real player or an alt. In theory you can normalize on the time spend to sink a ship, but I have in the past sunk some real players in mere minutes or just a single volley.

Hence I said, I don't see a problem if the reward is proportional to what gets sunk.

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On 8/12/2017 at 7:00 AM, Christoph said:

Lots of guy make combat mark farming with alts!!! Please remove combat Marks from game 

The Alt capture npc ship

Guys attack Alt

Alt make surrender 

Guys capture the ship from alt and sinks it 

 

The combat mark system is bad for the game 

You don't get marks when you capture a ship. It would be easier for the farmer to just sink the npc ship or board it and click this sink check box. Adding in the alt just makes it take twice as long. In the same amount of time you can sink several npc ships for the same amount of marks as you'd get doing what you describe. I can average 100 to 150 marks an hour just sinking stuff with my Agamemnon. Seems to me you are just looking for an excuse to get rid of combat marks. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Captain Lust said:

I was talking about when upgrades in admiralty store were only available for pvp marks. 100 pvp marks for opt rudder or marines for example didn't come by easy for the average player...

and that was not even a problem only people that bitch didn't understand game.  Then or now....... If you pvE'ed you will/would get all those upgrades/book with drops faster than anything else.  You could get every single mod/upgrade u would need 2x before u even got threw a few slots. and not spend a combat or pvp mark.

 This whole thing about using alts to farm is Just stupid.  I have multi Vids to prove it. The amount of time to Alt farm is way to high, I will never understand. Guess I got to Make a Single Vid of how to waste your time now Atl farming. The only way Alt farming would/could be the way to do it is if Ships gave over 300 marks a kill each in a 5th RATE and that would break u even time/kill compared to pve.

ITS BEEN PROVEN OVER AND OVER AND OVER.  IF YOU DO OR SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND LET THEM....THE GREATEST WASTE of YOUR/THEIR TIME IN GAME. 

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26 minutes ago, JobaSet said:

and that was not even a problem only people that bitch didn't understand game.  Then or now....... If you pvE'ed you will/would get all those upgrades/book with drops faster than anything else.  You could get every single mod/upgrade u would need 2x before u even got threw a few slots. and not spend a combat or pvp mark.

Implying people actually grind the ship slots like chinese gold farmers in mmorpgs. Some of us consider it a boring waste of time that only carebears can enjoy and some don't have the time at all to grind some hello kittyin bots for days.... Also i talked to some of the most hardcore pve grinders on EU Server and your "get every upgrade 2x" argument is kind of bullshit... you get a fair amount of rig/hull reps, rum and medium cannons ( 80-90% dropchance maybe ) that is all garbage and then you also get refits and BPs. I don't really want to know how long you would have to grind for one specific upgrade, let alone get it twice...

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1 hour ago, Captain Lust said:

Implying people actually grind the ship slots like chinese gold farmers in mmorpgs. Some of us consider it a boring waste of time that only carebears can enjoy and some don't have the time at all to grind some hello kittyin bots for days..Suit your self then you wont have the best of the best upgrades.. Also i talked to some of the most hardcore pve grinders on EU Server and your "get every upgrade 2x" argument is kind of bullshit... I said you would use and it is true....you get a fair amount of rig/hull reps, rum and medium cannons ( 80-90% dropchance maybe )This is not even close.  I would say close to 25-30% on books/mods(refits)/hard to get books/bps.  You doing wrong mission.  I been running a lot of ravenger mission as of late getting my Inger up.  I had to move most of my stuff to my alt because I had did not have space full of mods and books.  that is all garbage and then you also get refits and BPs . I don't really want to know how long you would have to grind for one specific upgrade, let alone get it twice...

This is how many mods u have LEFT to do what ever you want after if you get 54k or all 5 slots on a inger. This dose not include the ones I actually used or my alt used or gave away.  only 1 slot in on my alt

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