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Been giving the health of the server a bit of thought and it seems like we need something to do that doesn't involve taking empty port battles, attacking noobs outside of capitals and talking trash in global chat.  While we can't fix most of the issues that ails the game we can perhaps give it a little bit of an injection of fun in the form of player driven content.  So far the most successful player created event was the PVP tournament over on EU several months ago.  Let's try and recreate it here.  Maybe take a little bit of our hostility out on each other and not have to sail around for hours to do so.

So I'm officially proposing the.... 

The PVP Global Duel Tournament

Preliminary thoughts - 

  • Run a couple variations.  1v1s, 3v3s and maybe even 5v5s time and interest pending
  • Main event will of course be @King of Crowns and @koltes wappen duel.  Time for both of you to nut up or shut up about it in global.
  • Admin/Dev team gave out prizes for the EU server way back when, doubtful to expect the same here.  Each team/player has an entrance "fee" which gets thrown around in the purse.  Purse then will be split up to the winners of each event.  Details of course pending
  • Limit each event to a maximum BR like before.  1v1s would of course be matching ships.
  • Live stream each match, preferably have a couple streamers call and help conduct the fights.
  • Bang the whole thing out over the span of a weekend or so.  Biggest drawbacks of the first duel tournament was trying to coordinate schedules.  
  • Clan vs Clan.  Nation doesn't matter.  
  • It'd be too hard to limit what mods/slots and amount of repairs to bring.  It'll be unbalanced no matter what and we can't trust everyone to go in set amounts and not use mod slots. 

How to get around the no duel room issue - 

  • Meet up at a freetown,  a little out of the way.  Sail out and have both sides tag each other, wait 3 mins for joiners and then battle it out.  
  • If it's inter-nation we'll just have to have the players tag the moderator/streamer and do green on green OR have 2 different nations tag each other and each side join the different circles.  Will have to test both methods.

Misc - 

  • myself and a couple others can handle the logistics.  
  • Will need at least 1 more streamer, maybe 2.  
  • be nice to see a duel tournament that isn't just a de-masting fest.
  • Dates, fees and BR limits will of course be hashed out later on and plenty of notice given to those who need to grind slots and gather shit.  
  • Willing to help out PVP EU players with ships if they want to come over.

 

Thoughts and observations?  If we have enough interested and people ready to commit I will gladly organize the hell out of this to give us something to do other than fight each other on the forums.  

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Official Match Info - 

 

3v3 Tourney
- 500 BR max.  You MUST have 3 players
- Repairs: 1 Hull, 2 rig, 100 rum. 
- no running and excessive kiting.  
- Lose and you're out.  
- players can tap out if necessary.
- Replace more than 100 crew, use 2 hull repairs and you will be disqualified.

1v1 Tourney
- Surprises only.  
- Same rules as above 

Pickle FFA Melee
- everyone bring a pickle.  no teams, no rules, last man standing.

 

Matches will start next weekend the 19th and will be scheduled based on streamer and teams.  They will be done via outlaw battle if available or the 2 teams will tag each other.  

Teams Signed Up - 

3v3 - 

Team WO  - King of Crowns, Rabmando, Stingray005
Team Fire and Fury (VCO) - Coraline Vodka, Wraith, Christendom
Team "ALL BLACKS" - Koltes, Pelennor, Jean Pual Vilvenue

1v1 - 

Koltes

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You don't need green on green - you need two Pirates to open a Pirate vs. Pirate battle, which results in FFA ruleset and positional spawn. 

The basic cutters for the people opening the fight and any streamers can then sail away and use Freecam to record. 

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2 minutes ago, Tenet said:

You don't need green on green - you need two Pirates to open a Pirate vs. Pirate battle, which results in FFA ruleset and positional spawn. 

The basic cutters for the people opening the fight and any streamers can then sail away and use Freecam to record. 

Only issue with that is it's open for 30mins.  Could we expect people not to tamper?

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1 minute ago, Tenet said:

You don't need green on green - you need two Pirates to open a Pirate vs. Pirate battle, which results in FFA ruleset and positional spawn. 

The basic cutters for the people opening the fight and any streamers can then sail away and use Freecam to record. 

or combine the roles, have the cutter do the streaming

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Just now, Christendom said:

Only issue with that is it's open for 30mins.  

Damn, you are right. It would take a crazy person to ruin their reputation low enough to disrupt such a battle, but we still have a few of those around. :/

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I loved the tournament, was 1 of the best things i did in the game. Gave us a purpose to try other ships we never realy used. 

But I dont think you can run this much faster then we had with our 1st tournament. Battles alone take already 1 hour each. Or you should make it directly a knock-out system

2nd problem is that you dont have any instant battle rooms that you can use for it so people have to sail beforehand now to have any tourny battle..

1 dura problem on top of this previous point. You sink in the battle means you have no ship for your next match or you have to sail another ship to the place where you wanna do the tournament battle and have the change some enemy sinks your ship(s) underway

A lot of hardcore pvp-ers already left this game

 

 

Best solution is to wait for the new Sea Trials and hope they have an option for private servers to do this like we had with the previous tourny

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Liquicity will have to bend the knee for a ship.

 

Just some observations from people that I liked. - 

Limit repairs to the team in battle.  for example a 3v3 the team gets 5 or 6.  if a team goes over they get disqualified and adios.
Have the 3v3 be 3 of the same ship type? 3 surps vs 3 surps  or whatever.   50/50 on this.
 

Just like the tourney of the hand, we'll have a melee at the end to act as a crescendo.  Outlaw battle FFA pickle melee.

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18 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said:

Im sure Ill find some swedes for 3v3 or 5v5 to come over

I can help with ships for the EU guys.  Mods and slots of course will be up to the users.   

11 minutes ago, Archaos said:

Why not take it a step further and do arranged port battles in a non-important region and instead of the usual port battle ships set a mixed group, just to show that mixed port battles could be fun.

Baby steps.

 

33 minutes ago, LordOfDope said:

I loved the tournament, was 1 of the best things i did in the game. Gave us a purpose to try other ships we never realy used. 

But I dont think you can run this much faster then we had with our 1st tournament. Battles alone take already 1 hour each. Or you should make it directly a knock-out system

2nd problem is that you dont have any instant battle rooms that you can use for it so people have to sail beforehand now to have any tourny battle..

1 dura problem on top of this previous point. You sink in the battle means you have no ship for your next match or you have to sail another ship to the place where you wanna do the tournament battle and have the change some enemy sinks your ship(s) underway

A lot of hardcore pvp-ers already left this game

 

 

Best solution is to wait for the new Sea Trials and hope they have an option for private servers to do this like we had with the previous tourny

Positivity please.  Legends is months out  and we need something to do in the meantime.  

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+1

If you dont want demasting, since you are the creator, you can put that down as a rule. For example no demasting, no boarding. Chains and crew kills a legit, can repair sails, cant repair crew or hull. That sort of thing

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1 minute ago, Wraith said:

I'm not sure he meant demasting would be disallowed as part of the Official Rules, only that the demasting meta isn't nearly as strong as it was when the tournament was run before.

If demasting is allowed then it will be a demasting duels. Not against it, just saying it is what it is. As the organizor of the tournament he needs to decide if he wants that and run as a rule

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17 minutes ago, koltes said:

+1

If you dont want demasting, since you are the creator, you can put that down as a rule. For example no demasting, no boarding. Chains and crew kills a legit, can repair sails, cant repair crew or hull. That sort of thing

 

dont make any of this kind of rules, its a big part of making a line up of your ships

demasting was way easier in the previous 1 and not every battle ended up in that

We even had the unsinkable Essex in the tourny

boarding can be a really valuable tactic whit a boarding fitted Cerb (damn SLRN :P)

 

only repairs should be put in rules

max ships out fully with repairs makes the battle way to long. I guess the old amount of 1 hull and 1 sail should be more then enough. Its only hard for the ref to keep track of all repairs

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2 hours ago, Wraith said:

Possibly, depending on the BR or size class restrictions put in place. That was one of the interesting things that emerged from the last tournament, as the demasting specialists were certainly advantaged, but weren't as overwhelmingly favored as everyone expected them to be. What would your suggestions be for ship class or BR restrictions?

Store-bought or capped ships only with no mods/skill books and medium cannons? 

Open class, bring your favorite?

I'm of the opinion we choose one tournament type, set of restrictions, etc. to start and see how it goes. My suggestion would be max team size of 3, mixed fleet, BR rating of 480?  I think it's a bit unrealistic to think it could be done in a single weekend so I'd suggest we keep that side of the planning open until we see what the interest is.

 

Not sure about the BR, need to think it through. I remember there were BR "builds" for the tournament from PVP1. We could use the same.

As for controlling demasting (more people nowadays are good at it in comparison to older days so there will definitely be more of it) we could control with repairs. 

1 hull repair and 2 rig repairs max per ship per battle. 

Personally I prefer clean hull on hull dueling because it envolves positioning, wind knowledge, leaks and great manual sail control. I have demasting in my day to day hunting already and clean duels are just so rare nowadays. Call it a nostalgic feel. But I will go with whatever organizers will decide of course.

 

 

1 hour ago, Christendom said:

Yup.  

I'll be apart of a team also if @Coraline Vodka and @Wraith can be bothered.  

You could invite people from different nations to also help and be part of it.

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I agree, there should be a limit on repairs: Hull Repairs 1 time (maybe 2) per battle; same with Rig Repairs.

Also, we need have a judge in there to ensure the battle is actually fought and not a waste of time. Its sad to say, but I've dueled people before who simply spent the majority of the time sailing away and kiting sails to no end (and I don't mean just gaining distance to have a ranged fight, which is fine). We don't want to have "fights" like that. If you join the tournament, you should be prepared to stay in battle, engage the enemy, and sink the enemy or be sunk. An opponent who voluntarily leaves battle should count as a win for the other player

This could be a fun event, I'll be watching closely and I will enter if my schedule allows it.

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We talked about doing some stuff on the weekends and La Navvas would be prob the best freetown for every one that wants to do the fight.  I use to do the gunboat to judge fights in Duels/Small battles.  I could run something like a Trader Lynx and start the FFA battles.  We can set up it on the back side of the port so folks can't just jump out and join.  Than have a guard of none involved ships on making sure no one enters.  IF they do than the guards will join and slaughter that one person or group.  

I'm kinda taking it slow from the game until testbed opens, got to pack and get moved by the end of the month so can't be hanging out in game all the time.  Though if something is planed I can be on to help since I don't duel and won't want to be part of the fighting.

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Like the idea. Agree with similar observations others have made here. Would suggest TWO forms of battle.

 

1.       Vanilla Duels

2.       Formula 1

 

Vanilla duels and battles NO, Perm mods, NO ship knowledge skills and NO repair kits. Giving limit choices is too complicated just make clean simple. Also, this will encourage the newer PvPer to enter instead of the “older guys will have all the kit what’s the point…?” type of thing.

The Formula 1 events are no holds barred apart from a UPPER Band CLASS or BR Limit. As it states bring what you want decked out as you wish.

La Navesse sounds good to me.

Norfolk.

 

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