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@Slamdz started a great thread today and stolen shamelessness by @Bearwall. Other threads like Brit Patrol Captains wanted… we GB are in a depression and I haven’t started on the red yet. So, I’ve had an idea if time take a look…

Shoot me down if you will, not as experienced as most of you here. I’ve noticed a couple of things about the larger game macro view from a clan to Nation perspective. Take away the mechanics and other game issues may or may not have, we the GB Nation will always end up in this the same dilemma due to the thinking of clans.

In the case of PvP Global the pirate nation and [BLACK] have run rough shod over us. Which doesn’t seem possible looking at the player number stats…

 

Look at the Enemy…

Hats off to [BLACK] who are just a clan within the pirate nation. Maybe what thirty to fifty members but twenty-five regulars. The leadership team is experienced and work to a rolling plan of what the clan needs to do when and where. Plus, also what in… These goals funny enough are exactly the same that an individual Private is given.

This sounds really obvious, right? Now let me put it another way…

Imagine: the main player character (MPC) @Duncan McFail the [BLACK] leader is just a single MPC with no clan. He goes out and BUYs 24x ALTs. Naming them Koltes, Sir Texas Sir, Pellenor… you get the gist. One of the main complaints of ALTs in any game is P2W (Pay too Win). What’s the difference between 1x MPC and 24x PC against a Clan of 25x individual players (PC)?

In the eyes of GamesLab or most people is NOTHING. They’ve all paid and all have the same rights under the game… all 50 PCs above.

Apart from one thing, and this replicates to me how [BLACK] works. The MPC (Duncan) is single minded in his view and strategy. Whether it’s good or bad strategy its focused. The 25x Player clan has a leader but really 25 different wants and needs. Yes, may share a common goal, but one will always find it slightly out of focus. [BLACK] operate like 1x MPC and 24x PCs and yet are all players.

 

Look at Ourselves…

We are by far one super nation with many more players in Game at any one time. Nobody else comes close and yet we continue to be out played? We have some very smart players, we have some very large clans, you’d a thought a walk in the park…

Using the same analogy as above, we don’t possess a single-minded Duncan. We operate exactly like the 25x player clan mentioned.

We did see some delegation, of CKA policing K/PR while others went on the rampage and others carebeared. We were joined then with even more players from PvP1 like VCO, TF and others this should be one-way traffic and it wasn’t. Each clan needs a shipyard, resources and so on. [BLACK] need the same amount as just one of our larger clans.

Yes, we share common goals, but not single minded so lack the focus. This gives [BLACK] the FORCED MULYIPLER at any theater event to roll over the opposition. This while like for like numbers are massively smaller.

Look at things differently…

Many would agree for all the words I’ve written you’ve seen nothing new or revolutionary. So, let’s try to Operate like our enemy with a single leader with a single focus.  I’ve campaigned in the past for the NPC same Nation overlay to be lifted, and I seriously doubt this will ever happen. How can we get our single focus? We operate a single clan principle, or a GB Task Force [GBTT].

The comments made about committing resources and PB turn outs will be a thing of the past.

 

The Plan…

Each clan as two objectives. First to protect their own HQ and maybe one strategic resource. The second is to commit a small fleet to [GBTT] at a re-trenched port location. Think about Black River (Bonoacca FP). List ten GB clans, it’s not that hard. And to ditch K/PR for the present time.

10x Clans all agree to open a Forward Operating Base [FOB] at Ruatan. Each clan commits a small SoL force (2x), small 4th Rate (3x Aggies), and a Gank/Screen force (1x Essex, 2x Surprises).

One common TS3 Nation, Obvious here.

The [GBTT] task is to pushback to George Town. Working in teams of 5x SoLs with a Gank/Screen force of 3x gives a total of 8 players. NOT 8 clan members but Nation players. This is the key, operating this way GB can continually grind and yet not be picked off at anyone point. Like what happens now…

If we get a PB, 10x Clan SoLs is 20 ships right there. The screening is setup on hand. The Player just needs to teleport to the [FOB] and plugin. Unlike now which unless you are a good cat herder you might as well bang the head against the wall…

If we’re lucky enough to win the PB, all [GBTT] assets are moved forward to George Town and Black River is closed. Repair, Replenish and Re-Focus. Three new targets Trinidad, Sant Lago and Savanna La Mar. Which one, or do all three or, or, or…

The Key…

This is GB Nations Forced Multiplier. We can have 8 players playing at more instances than [BLACK] together. Make sense? Using the clan system opens up one Individual clan to colossal causalities while others standby idle.

Even if we lose, the loss likewise is spread out. A small niche clan like [ELITE] can commit easily to [GBTT]. Also feel not stretched across the map leaving the HQ exposed and feeling we’re not doing our part.

The side value win loses or draw, we’ll get used to playing together again. I loved the PBs against CCCP at SLM with 5 clans or the other big ones we had in the past. We’ll get used to dropping into to a 8 man team whoever you are with. At the moment [ELITE] could field 8 at one time maybe late Saturday evening at best…

 

Giving the Game away….

If Mike Tyson says he’s “Gonna Punch you in the Face…” this knowledge useful maybe, you’re not avoiding the inevitable. GB Nation on Global couldn’t be at a much lower state than right now. It’s worth a try. I haven’t told [BLACK] anything new here. They win why…?

Suggest @Fastidius [AUSEZ] to be the first [GBTT] Commander of Operations [COO] or @Christendom[VCO]

 

If you think it’s a rubbish idea let me know. If you have a better one likewise…

 

Norfolk nChance

(Desperate Despot Cult Clan Leader)

 

 

 

  

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This seems a good overall sense of nation.  I would further suggest:  Convoys leaving ports once an hour, on the hour.

Think of OW PvPers as WW2 submarines.  We hit lone individuals, run from task forces, surface only briefly to knock someone out, and move on.  A single escort for a trade fleet takes care of 75% of the OW PvPers (those that operate alone).

It doesn't even have to be a good ship.  A store bought Cerberus with medium sixes to occupy an attacker while the convoy escapes is plenty, and is easily replaceable.

As long as the convoys are paid for their time, you build national unity, you keep your traders, and hunters look elsewhere.

I'd recommend some people have outposts at major points of departure, and merchants bring their things there.

Those points of departure should account for anticipated port losses.

Further, for organizing the faction, just start doing it.  If people say, "Who are you?" simply say, "I'm the one trying."  Deputize those who want to help too.

Look to England's WW1 Maritime strategy, pre-US entrance.

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30 minutes ago, Iroquois Confederacy said:

This seems a good overall sense of nation.  I would further suggest:  Convoys leaving ports once an hour, on the hour.

Think of OW PvPers as WW2 submarines.  We hit lone individuals, run from task forces, surface only briefly to knock someone out, and move on.  A single escort for a trade fleet takes care of 75% of the OW PvPers (those that operate alone).

It doesn't even have to be a good ship.  A store bought Cerberus with medium sixes to occupy an attacker while the convoy escapes is plenty, and is easily replaceable.

As long as the convoys are paid for their time, you build national unity, you keep your traders, and hunters look elsewhere.

 

 

The amount you'd have to pay for someone's time to sail behind you for a couple hours would wipe out all profit and then some

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100K, guaranteed profit for the escorter?  For an hour's sail?  (It's no two hours from anywhere but the northern part of the Gulf to KPR, and realistically, that's not a great hub anyway when most are based out of other regions)

No trader worth their salt is pulling a sub-100K margin.  And the idea of leaving on the hour is so that multiple merchants cluster up under one escort, for increased efficiency.

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I dislike discussing the inner workings of a nation here on the forums, so I'll be brief.  First step in a GB recovery is to get ALL of the clans, major ones at least, up and running on the GB TS and in the GB Clan Council.  Currently we don't have support from RED, ELITE (your clan), WIN and several others.  To quote a favorite show of mine, decisions are made by those who show up.  Show up to the meetings and show up to the PBs.

We have 3 main problems within the nation - 

Uneven populations due to time zones. 

Clan participation and willingness to fight

Distribution of the population.  we have too much of the nation spread out.  

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Some steps were made this evening towards some of those things, but clans refuse to hang on to territory we don't need.  If you want to change things Norfolk get your clan into the council and involved within the nation.  Chasing pirates outside KPR does not mean you're involved.  

 

Also AUSEZ is no longer a GB clan.  Majority of their senior members have jumped off the titanic and sailing their lifeboats into chinese waters.

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Everything is in fact much simpler with BLACK. We have Chain of Command and we are not a democratic clan. Officers have the final say. However we always get the general feel of what clan members wants to do and plan accordingly. Organisation and command is on shoulders of the officers and everyone who is participating must follow orders and the Pirate Lore.
Here is our Leadership so there are no confusions in the future. The list is current. 

General rule of thumb. We don't give a shit and we don't take any shit too :) 

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1 hour ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said:

 

The amount you'd have to pay for someone's time to sail behind you for a couple hours would wipe out all profit and then some

Even cheaper is get other Traders that are making the run the same time you are. I seen a fleet of 15 players move stuff before cause they all needed to get things from one place to another.   A lone hunter will have a hard time pressed against a group of LGV's or Indianman.

 

This post cracked me up cause I will make it very very very very  clear I am not Duncan's alt....lol

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5 hours ago, Christendom said:

Also AUSEZ is no longer a GB clan.  Majority of their senior members have jumped off the titanic and sailing their lifeboats into chinese waters.

Why would AUSEZ abandon the GB nation in times of real challenge just to join the one nation that could actually give them a good fight in there time zone?   That's like a guaranteed formula for empty port battles, very little pvp and almost purely pve. 

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The only thing GB lacks is organization. Same as almost every other nation trying to run a war by committee. Just need clear leadership and a plan. Even a bad plan is better than no plan. 

The one thing this game needs is the tools for clans to fight each other for dominance of a nation.  Something to break up all the stubborness and ego driven politics.  GB is as good as any nation if they wanted to be. 

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That is "absurd". What Dominance ? There's no absolute power that can rule a nation other than setting up a plan earlier on and getting to know how each different clan, that makes its presence known, operates, and making a dominant council of clans that do lead from the front. That are there in the line of fire when it is needed and are ready to compromise.

Clan wanting to be dominant is exactly what messes up a nation. They do not compromise and their plans lack flexibility.

Five clans can be like fingers, be doing their own thing for days somewhere in the world, but if something comes up, they all get to a unified position as a single group and get things done, like a fist.

And as an advice - there is no point in rushing Fire Brigades everywhere everytime. It consumes time, resources and saps morale. It drives the rift between more aggressive playstyles and more balance acts and thus, when hard pressed serves as the most weak excuse - We jumping wagon because we want pvp - well, you just having all the pvp you'd wish for.

Rise to the occasion. PvP and RvR doesn't always go according to plan and that's the beauty of the OW NA.

Looking forward to see a more solid GB.

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Finally had time to read the OP. Had to do it twice and play it in my head.
IMHO, It sounds good on paper, but in reality will never work to exact same issue - the human factor.

Right now you have clans of different personalities of their leaders who cant agree on certain things and therefore can't run one operation together.
Napoleon Bonaparte the greatest tactician and strategist of his time once said: "One bad general is worth two good ones" Meaning that two good generals will always fight until their both incapable of  fighting. While bad general will make mistakes, but also will get more things done. Just at the greater cost.

Option 1.
What GB really need is a strong leader with good personality who could unite the best people. When I say the best I mean a). personality and b). willingness to pvp. Everything else will come fast. The resources to PVP, skills, organisation etc.

Option 2.
Another option is to created JTF (JOINED TASK FORCE) group. Clans will push forwards their best players to be part of that League Fleet. Leaders of the clans will get together and decide who will be the leader of the JTF group and who will be the officers. At times of WAR and RvR this group will act independently and on behalf of the entire nation. After war its members will rejoin with their clans.

Disclaimer: Option 1 will make you work harder to later have easier life. Option 2 is easier to pull off, but harder to control later

Just my 2c
Good luck

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Yes its has to start somewhere and this is a good start. A single fleet of aggies to fight in two fronts doesnt work and the French played their hand. Fleets need to be in place good to go hours before event. As nation ports everyone needs to have an outpost up their sleeve no matter how expensive,

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1 hour ago, Bach said:

Why would AUSEZ abandon the GB nation in times of real challenge just to join the one nation that could actually give them a good fight in there time zone?   That's like a guaranteed formula for empty port battles, very little pvp and almost purely pve. 

I'm sorry, but the brits have abandoned them. They're the highest population nation with the lowest percentage willing to fight. AUSEZ are fighters, but they needed help. If we were in the same position and pirates didn't come to help defend our nation you'd better believe our kos list would increase dramatically. We understand the Brits situation and have given them as much time as needed to train up and produce a skilled fighting force. Hopefully they use this time wisely and don't lash out prematurely. 

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@koltes This whole thing reminds me of camel toe 1 we had almost no ports  around 8 people online in prim time.  But I and a few others put a Plan together.  While more than 50% of black said we could not do it. We didn't have the man power constant bitching from everyone.  But the Call was made to do it anyway win, lose, or fail.  Everyone Had to participate.   Needless to Say the US and British Players got slaughtered.  Fun for everyone.  We had more Operations after that with each harder and more complex than the previous one.  Ending with Lone ranger where we took every single Silver Port.  That is how you get better keep doing things that seem impossible until they are not.  You get knocked down and it will happen(1st attempt on PaP) do it again, do it smarter, never stop.  When we have a lose we look at it differently,  you are sharping our weapons for the next fight.

 

Side Note: Every single Port battle we were out numbered.

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14 minutes ago, BallsOfSteel said:

Yes its has to start somewhere and this is a good start. A single fleet of aggies to fight in two fronts doesnt work and the French played their hand. Fleets need to be in place good to go hours before event. As nation ports everyone needs to have an outpost up their sleeve no matter how expensive,

I'll let you in on a little secret.  There was a reason we only grabbed the regions around Morts and got the points needed to start building (when Conquest Marks was added) and not spread all over the place.  We took that time while US/GB was spreading all over stealing up every Spanish/French ports they can get there hands on.  We built fleets.  We BUILT MORE THAN ONE 1st RATE FOR EACH CLAN MEMBER.  We all have more than one PB 4th rate.  We declare what ports we will have ships in and defend regions around those ports.  We moved and took one Port from US....ONLY ONE PORT, but we picked one great for hunting.   We all keep the respected ships in that port for both hunting and PB's.  Than we went to do other things.  US didn't prob expect us to have 1st rates still in them if we where using them down in GB waters right?  Yep that is exactly what we expected them to think.  When we where ready to take on the Brits we took key ports that we can use as jumping ports and get to fast to defend and did so.  

I say this over and over our clan is only 15-20 guys average on line in the past, but we are more up to 20-25 on most nights with a few small clan members helping up.  The reason we keep numbers up is we go out there and fight.  We keep busy.  We don't sit on our butts and not use our ships.  If you want to get better you have to get out and fight, not sit in your docks.

Last night was the first time we had a full PB fleet and Screening fleet to show up to the port battle and the screeners where mostly in ships that could have filled port battle spots too..  We got to that point by working with the other clans.  We been making ships for them too and offer to make more so they can grow.  We haven't been selfish with our resources.   We are even offering to help other nations/clans that don't have certain things.   This is how you grow, this is how you can beat two other large nations in a short time.  Are we prefect?  Hell no we aren't.  I can say I suck at this game at times, but I work with my time and they work with me to fill in our weak spots.  

One thing you don't see is us cutting each other down and degrading each other.  We butt heads a lot  and more than I want to admit, but than two seconds later we will be fighting side by side killing our enemy as if nothing happen.

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3 hours ago, Bach said:

Why would AUSEZ abandon the GB nation in times of real challenge just to join the one nation that could actually give them a good fight in there time zone?   That's like a guaranteed formula for empty port battles, very little pvp and almost purely pve. 

There aren't many of them left, they just kinda fizzled out.  For a clan that advertises "War is our business model" they sure didn't do a whole lot of it. I don't think more than a handful of them showed up to any contested PB.  

Those that remain just want to fleet in peace and jump on the sinking of brit pubs train that most nations are enjoying.  Remember they're real fighters...

 

2 hours ago, Duncan McFail said:

I'm sorry, but the brits have abandoned them. They're the highest population nation with the lowest percentage willing to fight. AUSEZ are fighters, but they needed help. If we were in the same position and pirates didn't come to help defend our nation you'd better believe our kos list would increase dramatically. We understand the Brits situation and have given them as much time as needed to train up and produce a skilled fighting force. Hopefully they use this time wisely and don't lash out prematurely. 

This is incorrect.  AUSEZ refused to basically do anything the brit council discussed in the meetings.  They were a large proponent of saying screw the council.  Plan an attack for sat night? They'll start doing it on thurs because they want "biff"

 

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3 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

I'll let you in on a little secret.  There was a reason we only grabbed the regions around Morts and got the points needed to start building (when Conquest Marks was added) and not spread all over the place.  We took that time while US/GB was spreading all over stealing up every Spanish/French ports they can get there hands on.  We built fleets.  We BUILT MORE THAN ONE 1st RATE FOR EACH CLAN MEMBER. 

i remember now you had alts getting marks for you so there was no need to spread out

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18 minutes ago, amplify said:

i remember now you had alts getting marks for you so there was no need to spread out

All my chars are Pirates I do not have any other chars.  So before you go accusing folks maybe get your facts straight.

I swear all you guys can do is come up with excuses and bitch about things.  I have yet to see anything from either of your clans to have impressed me on the battle field.  All ya'll do is bitch and come up with excuses.   If you where so good you wouldn't had needed to use broken mechanics to keep us out of a fight. Instead you would of meet us 25 vs 25 and proved your worth on the battle field.  Oh wait we all ready did that, but it was 23 vs 25 and we didn't loose a single ship.  Hmmm and what about the last three battles we rolled in with the FLEET GROUP and you didn't show?  Not even to peep out?   We where expecting to see a massive proper screening fleet to meet our BR and get a fight, but instead while using new fixed game mechanics ya'll gave up. 

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2 hours ago, Christendom said:

There aren't many of them left, they just kinda fizzled out.  For a clan that advertises "War is our business model" they sure didn't do a whole lot of it. I don't think more than a handful of them showed up to any contested PB.  

Those that remain just want to fleet in peace and jump on the sinking of brit pubs train that most nations are enjoying.  Remember they're real fighters...

 

This is incorrect.  AUSEZ refused to basically do anything the brit council discussed in the meetings.  They were a large proponent of saying screw the council.  Plan an attack for sat night? They'll start doing it on thurs because they want "biff"

 

If you honestly think AUSEZ was the only clan that was peeved at the Council then you must be living in La la land. We gave the council chance after chance to get your crap in order and all you did was fart arse around and argue with each other. Note the fact that Britain controls all of the Western map, yeah, that was AUSEZ mostly. Yeah, we jumped off the Titanic, but you're the idiots who crashed it in the first place.

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