WANTED: British patrol captains

[Guest]

This post is shamelessly stolen from the Global forums but I recon the same issue exists on the EU server so thx to @Slamdz for raising the issue first.

 

First I'll describe the situation:

I'm one of the players in one of the most active PvP-clans in DK/NG - DNP. I go to KPR regularly - for stories of some of the exploits pls read: 

But it is both getting tedious and boring - why? - well there's very few good PvP players around. Those that are around KPR are either traders (yum yum yum!) or PvE mission grinders (Yum yum yum!). Most are reasonable enough and don't mind a bit of PvP but there are some, a lot actually, that really gets pissed for us "ganking" in their capital waters. 

But the server IS a PvP server. And the problem DO reside inside the british faction. Most other factions are actually hard to raid - they take offence of ppl interfering in their waters, wether that being smuglin' (I do my fair bit) or raiding - they come out in force and either hunt down the raiders or run them off. The brits? well they just don't seem to care. And that's a problem. The mission grinders get annoyed that they loose ships, I've even been called a cunt numerous times in battle chat and I don't even know where he got that anatomical impression of me from.. but I guess it is rather bothersome to be interrupted in the PvE. And it is rather unfullfilling to kill of a lone indefatigable doing mission in the capital area. 

So imagine my joy yesterday when I found that I was actually hunted. I even got tagged! but alas.. the patrol ships were so slow that a seaturtle on prozac would've outrun them. So as the gent I am I offered the opposing sides reno a duel - seeing my reno was faster than theirs it goes to figure that theirs were a lot sturdier and on paper it would be an evenly matched battle - perhaps even with a structural advantage to the opponent, granted a bit off-set by him being prob unaccustomed to PvP. I asked the opposing players to leave, my own two mates quicky left and imagine my dissappointment when the offer for a 1vs1 was accepted but not honoured - so I left the battle and started picking more ships, basically what show of slow, oh so slow, force the brits had produced just turned around and went back into port while me and my two mates just kept killing off brit PvE'ers that apparently were completely unaware and uninformed of the dane raiding party laying in wait - quite literally - right outside KPR. Today the same issue occured. We tagged an indefatigable (we being 1 connie (15kn) 2 renos (15kn) and 2 surps (15kn)) and to our joy we were joined by one enemy constitution, one enemy endymion and one enemy snow. So the teams were: Danish/Norwegian navy: 1 connie, 2 renos and 2 surps vs. Brits: 1 connie, 1 indefatigable, 1 endymion, 1 snow. Broadside to broadside they outgunned us, armor and hp to armor and hp they should outlast us, but for some reason the brits that jumped into the battle left and we were basically allowed to kill of the indefatigable. I still can't figure out why. After sinking the indefatigable we jumped out, another dane in a surp was being chased by two frigs and two surps so we gave chase, cought the frigs and the surps and the frigs left the battle - in the end we managed to hunt down one frig and one surp, why? because they left eachother to survive on their own devices.. the rear chasers of the surps 8 in total should've carried them through and managed to get them all safely back to KPR. Instead they were each left to fend for themselves and we sank 50% of their forces. And I don't really understand why they could just leave eachother like that. What I do figure is that the brits need to get their act together. It's the responsibility of the entire faction to keep home waters safe and for the largest faction to put up such a pathetic show of force is just.. well pathetic.. The hardest fight we got was from a swedish connie with a surp in concert - that is a swedish raiding party at KPR gave us more of a fight than the pride of the "Royal" navy.. Nothing royal about it says I.. So what to do about it?

Here follows my advices for getting your (brits) shit together and start putting up some resistance:

1) don't try to hunt down raiders in ships going less than 15kn. If you don't have anything fast enough - make sure a dedicated tagger has. Otherwise it's just a waste of everyones time.

2) don't leave eachother - this shouldn't have to be pointed out.

3) the only viable ships for noobs is surps and connies - don't try to be something you're not, go the EZ mode to start with and when you feel comfortable you can try some of the more challenging PvP ships. And don't worry about speed, in the current broken system all ships can go 15kn, just a matter of mats and upgrades + knowledge.

4) Make an OP in either Port Morant or Carlisle (and make sure both ports are covered) - and keep fast ships in them (again this shouldn't have to be pointed out but anyway)

- This will make the triangle KPR/Carlisle/Port Morant and any enemy raiding groups that wants to run away has no choice but to go SE towards the dutch - remember a win is not just when the enemy sinks, sometimes just running them off your property can be a win in itself. And there's allways the chance that bad winds or poor navigations makes the enemy raiding party run aground on the shallows at Pedro Cay.

5) Get your asses out of Belize/KPR - no one dies from losing a ship, in the current broken economy it's not even a setback.

 

So in short: Get your act together and stop whining about PvP on a PvP server.

 

[Lonar]

To be honest the Brits are not really wrong with the doing nothing tactic. If they do nothing and ignore you or better just sail around your last position, you will get bored and look for other waters. In reality the biggest mistake you can make is to give gankers a good fight they will be entertaint and only come back

Also you are creating pvp situations under conditions that benefit yourself (no judgment most people will do that including me) but the other one has no time for this or is not interested to fight today and only wanted to do just one mission and then log of, but would fight you tomorrow when he has more time and joy to do so. Wich results in people being uninterested.

With the Sacrifice of the Indef i would have done the same, thy maybe outgunned you in numbers but all their ships are slow and unmanouverable beside the snow so in the end you would have sterncamped them. At least thats the opinion from a non-expert in pvp things.

[Grundgemunkey]

so the real problem is ...........

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Most other factions are actually hard to raid

so you take the easy option of people new to game ... a

Here follows my advice

1. if your getting bored..... go somewhere else

2,if its unfullfilling to kill of a lone indefatigable doing mission in the capital area.  .....  go somewhere else

3. if yuou want more better content ..... go somewhere else

4. in short /go somewhere else .... its not up to us to provide you wiith the gameplay you want

5 when we want advice we wil ask for it ... but please dont be offended if we dont ask you.. we will be asking experts

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7 hours ago, Lonar said:

To be honest the Brits are not really wrong with the doing nothing tactic. If they do nothing and ignore you or better just sail around your last position, you will get bored and look for other waters. In reality the biggest mistake you can make is to give gankers a good fight they will be entertaint and only come back

Also you are creating pvp situations under conditions that benefit yourself (no judgment most people will do that including me) but the other one has no time for this or is not interested to fight today and only wanted to do just one mission and then log of, but would fight you tomorrow when he has more time and joy to do so. Wich results in people being uninterested.

With the Sacrifice of the Indef i would have done the same, thy maybe outgunned you in numbers but all their ships are slow and unmanouverable beside the snow so in the end you would have sterncamped them. At least thats the opinion from a non-expert in pvp things.

Sterncamping isn't possible when the opponent has 3 or more ships, only need the proper tactic.

 

6 hours ago, Grundgemunkey said:

so the real problem is ...........

so you take the easy option of people new to game ... a

Here follows my advice

1. if your getting bored..... go somewhere else

2,if its unfullfilling to kill of a lone indefatigable doing mission in the capital area.  .....  go somewhere else

3. if yuou want more better content ..... go somewhere else

4. in short /go somewhere else .... its not up to us to provide you wiith the gameplay you want

5 when we want advice we wil ask for it ... but please dont be offended if we dont ask you.. we will be asking experts

lol I kill sweedes, frenchies, pirates and brits.. But no one is so generous as the brits - I'm the richest man on the server and I rarely trade anymore.. But I do give thx to the brits

And it's not just the noobs trodding around KPR, more often than not it's rearadmirals whining about PvP.. The newer players more often takes some friendly advices and come back better than before.

5 hours ago, Peter Goldman said:

"Make outposts in Morant and Carlisle" lol, I am full on outposts and I don't use any of them for eco, poorly for PvP. I know people that removed OP from KPR xD New players don't have the mats / gold to make / buy 15 kn ships as well. Also chasing 15kn ships with 15kn ships is a waste of time. Unless you are very smart and enemy makes mistakes, it's pointless. Getting a good tag is only a matter of miracle, it will end up with defensive tag. Surprises with 4 stern chasers will schred sails in matter of seconds. Number of sail repairs you will have to use during chase will make it super expensive.

The patrolling of homewaters is a factionwide responsibility.

[Grundgemunkey]

9 minutes ago, Bearwall said:

Sterncamping isn't possible when the opponent has 3 or more ships, only need the proper tactic.

 

lol I kill sweedes, frenchies, pirates and brits.. But no one is so generous as the brits - I'm the richest man on the server and I rarely trade anymore.. But I do give thx to the brits

And it's not just the noobs trodding around KPR, more often than not it's rearadmirals whining about PvP.. The newer players more often takes some friendly advices and come back better than before.

The patrolling of homewaters is a factionwide responsibility.

and the one with the biggest ego .... how can you possibly know your the richest on the server

plenty of rear admirals are noobs when it comes to pvp .... otherwise they wouldnt be messing about outside kpr

homewaters are around your home ..by definition .... kpr is not mine or many brit clans home

 

Edited July 21, 2017 by Grundgemunkey

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1 hour ago, Grundgemunkey said:

and the one with the biggest ego .... how can you possibly know your the richest on the server

plenty of rear admirals are noobs when it comes to pvp .... otherwise they wouldnt be messing about outside kpr

homewaters are around your home ..by definition .... kpr is not mine or many brit clans home

 

lmao I just love exclaiming I'm the richest guy on the server.. No one can tell me otherwise

And true plenty of rearadmirals are noobs when it comes to PvP - but they shouldn't cry just because they die in a PvP fight.. If they wanna do PvE missions they can go to the PvE server or - and here's an original thought - go somewhere other than the blinking blip on the map that says "here's PvP".

[Wallentinus]

You were 6 not 5.

The clanless Indef player was asked multiple times to sail straight to us. He had only one chance to reach us and we could escort him out. He started turning and all of your ships get in range. He used his sail repair too early.

If he had been captured (after he started turning we did not give a chance to avoid that) while we are sailing against the wind (BANZAIN vector 10-15 min) to reach him soon we would found ourself in a 6vs2 situation (+Snow who was a clanless new player too).

[Guest]

On 23/7/2017 at 4:34 PM, Mrgoldstein said:

I wa in the first fight and as soon as we tagged you you guys started running, you started crying about wanting to do a 1vs1 against a reno(wich was a low lvl captain)  to mask that you where just running away..youre mates did not leave the battle to let you 1 vs 1, they where running and leaving in the first place..you are just a ganking seal clubber, you make up all those captain stories how brave you are and such, whilst being confronted with an equal force you immideatly run away..and afterwards you proclaim it was because you wanted to 1 vs 1 and that is why your mates left...yeah right

I make no excuse from running away from a superior force. I would be a poor raider otherwise - for advice on how to counteract raiding please read above. All those "Captain stories" btw are real ingame encounters somewhat embellished and no not one of them requires bravery - in real life war kills people. In NA - If I lose my reno I already have a replacement in Les Cayes. The stories are meant as entertainment and the reason why I so far has suffered so few defeats (only sunk once since I started them) is simply because.. well I've only sunk once since I started them.. Want that to change? - come out and get me!

I frequently hunt alone and I don't mind getting "ganked" myself - it's part of the PvP server. As to the instance you refer to - all my mates had jumped out and only me, a reno (that as far as I could tell had a full compliment of crew) and a frigate left - I offered the chance for a fair fight when it was clear from the beginning that none of the opposing ships was fast enough to catch us. I.e. I offered to duel a reno with more armor, more hp and less speed in a duel to just give the coast guard the chance to snuff out 1 raider. I don't mind the offer was rejected - except it wasn't, it was actually accepted but apparently a 1vs1 duel means 1 reno against 1 reno + 1 frigate. Had I confidence in my ability to win a 1vs1? - yeah I recon very few on the server can best me in a reno vs reno duel. Was I certain of the outcome? no. But the reno player might have learned something from the experience, I've never been shy to both banter and give out advice and if I'd lost - chances are I would've learned something from the experience.. humility if nothing else

 

[Lonar]

On 23.7.2017 at 4:34 PM, Mrgoldstein said:

I wa in the first fight and as soon as we tagged you you guys started running, you started crying about wanting to do a 1vs1 against a reno(wich was a low lvl captain)  to mask that you where just running away..youre mates did not leave the battle to let you 1 vs 1, they where running and leaving in the first place..you are just a ganking seal clubber, you make up all those captain stories how brave you are and such, whilst being confronted with an equal force you immideatly run away..and afterwards you proclaim it was because you wanted to 1 vs 1 and that is why your mates left...yeah right

 

The Storys are roleplay of course he makes his character better then he maybe was in reality. He is playing someone in thoose storys who does not know game mechanics and such but for who the game is a real world, guess thats the reason why he has 2 threats

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Lonar said:

 

The Storys are roleplay of course he makes his character better then he maybe was in reality. He is playing someone in thoose storys who does not know game mechanics and such but for who the game is a real world, guess thats the reason why he has 2 threats

 

lol I said I embellish a little   I would still like that reno duel you ran out of the last time

 

[Lonar]

1 hour ago, Bearwall said:

lol I said I embellish a little   I would still like that reno duel you ran out of the last time

 

 

We both know you are more skilled then me in such things so it would be pretty boring since the result is already known before the fight begins. Thats the part of knowing when to cut your losses and know when not to engage a useless battle.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Lonar

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6 hours ago, Lonar said:

 

We both know you are more skilled then me in such things so it would be pretty boring since the result is already known before the fight begins. Thats the part of knowing when to cut your losses and know when not to engage a useless battle.

I fully agree - and even tho there's a lesson to be had in defeat, a wiser man retreats  I do hope to catch you sometime in the OW though

 

[ajffighter86]

On ‎7‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 3:22 AM, Peter Goldman said:

"Make outposts in Morant and Carlisle" lol, I am full on outposts and I don't use any of them for eco, poorly for PvP. I know people that removed OP from KPR xD New players don't have the mats / gold to make / buy 15 kn ships as well. Also chasing 15kn ships with 15kn ships is a waste of time. Unless you are very smart and enemy makes mistakes, it's pointless. Getting a good tag is only a matter of miracle, it will end up with defensive tag. Surprises with 4 stern chasers will schred sails in matter of seconds. Number of sail repairs you will have to use during chase will make it super expensive.

The only way I know to fight people who only want to run is to bait them into a battle with something tempting like a trader or a lone lineship. It requires a lot of coordination though to get the support units in before the 2.5 minute lock-out.

I do feel that with the invisibility and speed boost, stern and bow chasers should be restored to the original accuracy settings. No need to give someone THAT much opportunity to escape anymore.