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1 hour ago, Batman said:

Then having your face smashed against a wall shouldn't have happened in the first place ;)

But some people learn faster than others, so somebody will have a few more cuts and bruises before he finally learns to adapt.

I wasn't really speaking for myself but for the other players there.  I've had the shit kicked out of me all over the Caribbean and am always richer for the experience.  What annoyed me about getting dragged into Bensalem to replace a player who failed to show up on time was that there wasn't even one member of the attacking clan there to share my pain.  I call that rude.

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36 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Dear Otto here then just went ahead to call all the SALTYP guys trash and that he doesn't give a shit about you and you're "carebears" 

Nah, trash is reserved to your nation.

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1 hour ago, Palatinose said:

And even more experience leads to even making proposals on improving roe and pb mechanics. 

Nope. RvR is PvP. It's easier to get better in rvr when one does a lot of pvp than the other way round. One doesn't learn pvp basics in rvr but in ow pvp.

Such proposals are too often let by very selfish ideas. Each nation has other conditions for rvr. Individual experience opens your eyes only for the conditions of your nation, but not for the opposite view on things. A small clan with six excellent players like Rubli thinks completely different of PB mechanic for 2400 BR ports than a clan which can rely on 20 not so excellent players and 30 screeners who know not a lot more but to shoot sails very successful.

Making good proposals for PB mechanic needs experience in rvr, but a lot more it needs imagination for the impact on the game. That's why most of those proposals are nothing more than continuation of a war with other means.

Roadkill explained very well that pvp goes about sinking ships and rvr goes about denying PB fleets entry into PB and gathering 1000 points for victory. Sinking ships is not needed in rvr. It's only a means to an end. That's why pvp players can be a pain in the ass of a PB fleet.

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1 hour ago, HachiRoku said:

I am not going to pb like french. If we don't smash the enemy fleet we don't deserve the port. 

That's pvp thinking. You don't have to change PB mechanic for that. Doing PvP instead of RvR solves your problem.

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1 hour ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

It should be based on who wins the fight rather than who wins the kite of which the French are (unfortunately for us) masters.

We just need to come up with a more effective way of stopping them running away.

Play pvp and you get what you desire.

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46 minutes ago, Christendom said:

I commented to players like @Toto Cabbage why his fleet of screeners decided to jump in a battle for marks instead of making sure your PB was safe to get into battle.  Your PB fleet was pulled into battle by 2-3 people.  Dear Otto here then just went ahead to call all the SALTYP guys trash and that he doesn't give a shit about you and you're "carebears" 

A fine piece of garbage some of you have decided to follow in the brit nation.  I'm surprised some guys in SLRN and RSC tolerate him.  

To be fair mate I've never given a shit for what people think of me.  I don't think they do either.  I respect that.  This a game so I just learn and get on with it.

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can you guys make [PvP Caribean] Great Forum PvP Results instead? And could a mod please clean it up?

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2 hours ago, Liq said:

can you guys make [PvP Caribean] Great Forum PvP Results instead? And could a mod please clean it up?

Forum PvP best PvP !

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Islamorada Sweden vs Spain
Commander Sweden: Havelock
Commander Spain: ?
Outcome: Sweden won

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Sweden prepping their attack. ;) 

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Result at the end of PB.

GG WP o7 Spain!

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1 hour ago, sveno said:

Islamorada Sweden vs Spain
Commander Sweden: Havelock
Commander Spain: ?
Outcome: Sweden won

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Sweden prepping their attack. ;) 

B16BA1EF482D2CC1533395DBB13A2B10AAD26318
Result at the end of PB.

GG WP o7 Spain!

Exploit!!!

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12 hours ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

It's the only kind Graf has a chance at.

It's not that I make a secret out of the recipe how to perform well in a forum. 

Don't post things you have no clue about, and you're invulnerable.

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5 hours ago, Teutonic said:

It's like the Wasa is broken again or something...:thinking:

Looks to have been a good fight though.

Deosnt have something to do with the Wasa. The Spanish got seperated from each other really good and the swedes had a good fire focus.

The first ship that sank was a Bucentaure, which got 40 leaks from our Buce and Pavel. Even with other ships, it would look pretty much the same.

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22 hours ago, Sir Lancelot Holland said:

The commander at Balaklava may have said the same of the Light Brigade, but within months Sevastopol Fell to the same British, French and Turkish troops.  Neither of the two clans that set up PB's in Central America are big clans, they worked hard, earned their place and they went in knowing the odds, they did what they could, with what they had, They did not stand back and let the big clans fight it out as has been the case for so long, they tried,  and for that they get labelled Carebears, by some, they are told they  are stupid by others, I ask you is that really the best way to encourage PVP and RVR?  A simple GG or well done for trying would have been a far better response, unless you are afraid that they will improve and one day start to beat you consistently,  Is that the case? 

Hate to say it but GB is a bad nation to learn anything in.  I would recommend going to a smaller nation where numbers are needed and you will get a lot more participation in everything.

Spain and France are quite good but little English spoken atleast at Euro time. Denmark is a good choice, Sweden also but they already big enough.

 

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43 minutes ago, Fletch67 said:

Hate to say it but GB is a bad nation to learn anything in.  I would recommend going to a smaller nation where numbers are needed and you will get a lot more participation in everything.

Spain and France are quite good but little English spoken atleast at Euro time. Denmark is a good choice, Sweden also but they already big enough.

 

I would recommend Denmark at the moment. They are active in RVR and need more players.

But in GB you can do much to, just talk with the right people.

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1 minute ago, Fletch67 said:

Hate to say it but GB is a bad nation to learn anything in.  I would recommend going to a smaller nation where numbers are needed and you will get a lot more participation in everything.

Spain and France are quite good but little English spoken atleast at Euro time. Denmark is a good choice, Sweden also but they already big enough.

 

Thank you for your advice, it is I think good advice, given with good intent. For a so called 'easy nation' life in GB is not a bed of Roses, in all factions there are those who argue, there are those who think their clan has greater entitlement because they are more skilled or bigger, I do not condemn such attitudes they are human nature and as  such unavoidable.

I am with a small clan, one which is close knit and with whom I enjoy playing, we help out GB where we can,  we are also learning as we go along,  which means we learn by doing things, we may not be successful by the standards of ports held or the numbers of players we sink, what we do have is though is the will to learn, if we lose then we refit, come back and try again, each time we do a little better, one day our opponents, will tell us we were worth the effort of fighting, When that happens, we know the effort we put in is worth our time, that we earned the respect shown to us. 

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17 hours ago, sveno said:

Islamorada Sweden vs Spain
Commander Sweden: Havelock
Commander Spain: ?
Outcome: Sweden won

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Sweden prepping their attack. ;) 

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Result at the end of PB.

GG WP o7 Spain!

Looked like was good fight & fun for Sweeds, GGA.

Did you get out your PB fleet from Morgan ? thought this shallow port would not allow that cause it looks shallow waters are spreading far from the port entry.

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10 minutes ago, Celtiberofrog said:

Looked like was good fight & fun for Sweeds, GGA.

Did you get out your PB fleet from Morgan ? thought this shallow port would not allow that cause it looks shallow waters are spreading far from the port entry.

I guess they sent the ship to Morgan using the "Tow permit" and once out of the port they used the "Tow to port" to go to the nearest deep harbor. Then they kept the ships in Jobe.

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Thx Shiro, that's the only way I guess.

Nevertheless, I believe that a "tow permit" mechanic should not allow a large ship to dock in a "shallow water port".

It should be correctly coded, otherwise it slightly sounds like nonsense. 

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