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Sir Texas Sir    3,271

Port-au-Prince 4th Rate Port Battle:  25 British vs 23 Pirates

Pirates won with a combo of points from captured circles and killing/capture of 9 British ships with zero lost to the pirates side.

Pirates lost a Mortar Brig out side and one one other couldn't get in.

I wasn't there but if some one had the video I'll add it on our side.

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Bach    1,160
44 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Port-au-Prince 4th Rate Port Battle:  25 British vs 23 Pirates

Pirates won with a combo of points from captured circles and killing/capture of 9 British ships with zero lost to the pirates side.

Pirates lost a Mortar Brig out side and one one other couldn't get in.

I wasn't there but if some one hads the video I'll add it on our side.

 

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Yarrrr!   Two hooks up?

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Sir Texas Sir    3,271
2 minutes ago, Bach said:

Yarrrr!   Two hooks up?

Heard Ya'll where having fun out side along with some pirates that came along late to PvP out side.  Hope ya'll had a good one.

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Christendom    1,793

My perspective.  Not a very good showing on our part.  

Ultimately the fight was lost about 15mins in when we had a couple players too far out to the right and just inexplicably sail into the pirate fleet.  I should of had us turn into and help, but hindsight of course.  @Coraline Vodka did a good breakdown with images here. https://imgur.com/a/nNGnG  once those 2 players were lost right off the bat the brawl was over.

Props to the pirates for the smashing in the battle.  The french player (i hope) they used to hide in battle before the power however......I guess that's par for the course.

Highlight of the battle was bailing a Brit captain stuck in irons and about to get stern raked at 42:22 by using the ole ramming maneuver.  

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Jeheil    2,320

Yuppers well played Pirates, cohesion won the day, see ya next time.

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Souvlaki    10

So am I to understand that hiding for one hour in a battle to avoid any screening force is 'par for the course' and not cheating or exploiting the game mechanics? I mean, is that all it takes, some nerds with so much time on their hands they can circumvent how the game is intended to be played because they must win by any means, even if it means cheating? And the Devs are OK with this?

If so, I'm ready to uninstall and stop wasting my time. Luckily I'm fairly new to the game, so no big loss. I'll do a nice little write-up on Steam about it and be done.

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Duncan McFail    266
2 minutes ago, Souvlaki said:

So am I to understand that hiding for one hour in a battle to avoid any screening force is 'par for the course' and not cheating or exploiting the game mechanics? I mean, is that all it takes, some nerds with so much time on their hands they can circumvent how the game is intended to be played because they must win by any means, even if it means cheating? And the Devs are OK with this?

If so, I'm ready to uninstall and stop wasting my time. Luckily I'm fairly new to the game, so no big loss. I'll do a nice little write-up on Steam about it and be done.

I'm sorry. Do you think the game mechanics of screening are anything more than griefing. Meaning the biggest nation can always defend their ports because they have the numbers to keep out anyone who trys to take their ports. That system is bs to me. On global their would be no nation that could take a brit port unless all the nations combined to stop them. I'd rather see that decision made by who has more skill and tactics in the port battle rather than who can keep the enemy from getting to the port battle.

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Souvlaki    10
9 minutes ago, Duncan McFail said:

I'm sorry. Do you think the game mechanics of screening are anything more than griefing. Meaning the biggest nation can always defend their ports because they have the numbers to keep out anyone who trys to take their ports. That system is bs to me. On global their would be no nation that could take a brit port unless all the nations combined to stop them. I'd rather see that decision made by who has more skill and tactics in the port battle rather than who can keep the enemy from getting to the port battle.

No I don't think having naval battles in the open world is griefing.

If I understand you correctly, what you're saying is the British population is too big, thus it's ok to cheat. Do I have the correct? I seem to remember participating in a port battle vs the pirates a few weeks ago where they clearly outnumbered my team and I didn't see them withdrawing any ships so it could be decided by skill.

 

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GB do not battle during screening, they grief. This is the proof. Outlaw battle is open for all to join for the whole duration. How many screeners joined and kept Pirate fleet tagged? Exactly, zero, nada, zilch. Tagging over and over again without battling is griefing. Tagging and fighting is screening. Game is broken right now, so griefing is what GB calls screening.

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Skully    711
1 hour ago, Duncan McFail said:

I'd rather see that decision made by who has more skill and tactics in the port battle rather than who can keep the enemy from getting to the port battle.

The skill of being able to sail in a PB fleet or hiding one?

I fully agree with you that hiding is the easier one.

I recall a failed screening attempt when we took PaP. Maybe you have been focusing the wrong skills.

Any lobby or free-pass mechanic will not save you against numbers. Why not try true naval tactics against superior numbers?

PS. Don't feed the zerg by making the strategical error of hitting US.

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What skills would that be exactly? The ones that available in game please, save the Naval Academy stuff for real world, game skill only for the group of 30-35 to overcome the group of 70-75. I am all ears.

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greybuscat    69
25 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

GB do not battle during screening, they grief. This is the proof. Outlaw battle is open for all to join for the whole duration. How many screeners joined and kept Pirate fleet tagged? Exactly, zero, nada, zilch. Tagging over and over again without battling is griefing. Tagging and fighting is screening. Game is broken right now, so griefing is what GB calls screening.

The only screening fleets I've ever been a part of actually fought the ships we tagged, and in most cases, stuck around to protect the battle fleet after the PB is over. I've even lost a ship or two doing this. I can't speak for what happened in Port Au Prince, but that's the only kind of screening fleet I'm familiar with.

Perhaps you have some evidence of contrary behavior for me to consider.

Regardless, kiting and harassing is a thing real navies did. But I'm sure one of the greatest naval achievements in human history was just griefing, right? Those Ruskies should have just fought fairly against the Ottomans, and lost like real men!

Does anyone have a historical example of pirates attacking other pirates, to avoid the Royal Navy?

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Do you a have a historical example of 4-5 light frigates  keeping a fleet of line ships form entering a battle? Or a Ship of the line battle when frigate won? In Naval Action, any competent captain of a light frigate can decimate a first rate. Its a game, get over it. Spare the Naval Academy stuff. Game availible mechanics only.

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Skully    711
51 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

Do you a have a historical example of 4-5 light frigates  keeping a fleet of line ships form entering a battle? Or a Ship of the line battle when frigate won? In Naval Action, any competent captain of a light frigate can decimate a first rate. Its a game, get over it. Spare the Naval Academy stuff. Game availible mechanics only.

The battle would occur between the light frigates and the fleet, annihilating the frigates and be declared a victory.

But oh no, PBs are a holy grail which should be obtainable against any odds through invulnerability.

You know the opposition is going to over-commit. Make use of that knowledge and fight accordingly.

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Pirates did adjust their tactics, you did not, you still playing pre wipe game. Pirates won due to unpreparedeness of screening fleet, you expected same old kite game, instead you had a battle you could have joined. You had a GB basic cutter pinpointing a position of the fight. No british players elected to join the fight. Lack of planing? Cowardice? Who knows. In the end a rag tag smaller force won. Do beter next time.

GB had superior numbers of equal ships  in PB. GB had fort protection. And folded, acording to your own fleet leader after first two ships were sunk it was over. At that point fleets were equal and GB could have pressed the wind advantage, but instead gave up.  Smaller force won. Watch the video.

See the pattern yet?

There was nothing new in Pirate tactics. It was used before time and time again by national fleet defensive tags of npc fleets, and pirates on PVP EU. BLACK executed it well, it  is no small deal btw, takes time and practice. You know the whole planing ahead, evading enemy, timing it perfectly thing,  otherwise known as tactics and strategy.

Ends justifies the means. They won, you lost. Get over it. Grind it up and try again if you dare.

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I'm being reminded, again, of why I don't do Port Battles anymore. There's still too many problems with how they're initiated, and the'res also too much god damn meta gaming going on-- both offensively and defensively. Both sides are flinging mud at each other regarding who's worse about using bad game mechanics to game the game. 

 

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BallsOfSteel    164
19 hours ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

GB do not battle during screening, they grief. This is the proof. Outlaw battle is open for all to join for the whole duration. How many screeners joined and kept Pirate fleet tagged? Exactly, zero, nada, zilch. Tagging over and over again without battling is griefing. Tagging and fighting is screening. Game is broken right now, so griefing is what GB calls screening.

Tell that to Budgie Smuggler , toss myself and two others came in as soon as we had the opportunity

 

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Bach    1,160

It is the nature of large teams with no clear leader to in fight following an unexpected loss  

Battle was 25v23 and each side was almost all Aggys. So the actual battle was pretty fair. What Britains are complaining about is not being able to employ their population advantage to create an unfair PB. It was a fair PB. Get over it. 

Next time Brit just needs to put its screeners on site >1hr to the PB and they can keep their population advantage in play. This time GB just got outplayed, this time, because the expected something that didn't happen and were not prepared for it. 

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Rick Astley    45
20 hours ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

Do you a have a historical example of 4-5 light frigates  keeping a fleet of line ships form entering a battle? Or a Ship of the line battle when frigate won? In Naval Action, any competent captain of a light frigate can decimate a first rate. Its a game, get over it. Spare the Naval Academy stuff. Game availible mechanics only.

Pursued by the Turkish Fleet (6 ships of the line, 2 frigates, 2 corvettes), Russian brig Mercury engaged in unequal battle with line ships Selimiye (110 guns) and Real-bei (74 guns) near the Strait of Bosphorus. After damaging the ships one by one, the brig escaped pursuit

So.... yes

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rediii    2,693
40 minutes ago, Rick Astley said:

Pursued by the Turkish Fleet (6 ships of the line, 2 frigates, 2 corvettes), Russian brig Mercury engaged in unequal battle with line ships Selimiye (110 guns) and Real-bei (74 guns) near the Strait of Bosphorus. After damaging the ships one by one, the brig escaped pursuit

So.... yes

The mercury didn't win the engagement neither wanted to disturb the turkish fleet. Just ran away and wanted to survive. While the turkish ships shot on hul the merc shot on rigging to escape, that's why no turkish guys got killed.

*flies away from global again*

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Rick Astley    45
4 minutes ago, rediii said:

The mercury didn't win the engagement neither wanted to disturb the turkish fleet. Just ran away and wanted to survive. While the turkish ships shot on hul the merc shot on rigging to escape, that's why no turkish guys got killed.

*flies away from global again*

It was successful in its job, demasting the SoLs.

it played the role of a screening ship in this game.

He asked for proof, I gave him proof.. you can try twisting the facts any direction you want... but the brig took on and was successful in disrupting an enemy fleet.

 

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Souvlaki    10
1 hour ago, Bach said:

It is the nature of large teams with no clear leader to in fight following an unexpected loss  

Battle was 25v23 and each side was almost all Aggys. So the actual battle was pretty fair. What Britains are complaining about is not being able to employ their population advantage to create an unfair PB. It was a fair PB. Get over it. 

Next time Brit just needs to put its screeners on site >1hr to the PB and they can keep their population advantage in play. This time GB just got outplayed, this time, because the expected something that didn't happen and were not prepared for it. 

No, I don't think you're looking at this a tester. This game is in Alpha TESTING right now. So the mechanics are in flux and the way the players are going to be handled is in flux. I honestly don't care what nation is using scummy tactics like hiding in a battle for an hour, I think the subject should be addressed head-on by the devs and corrected. Having a group of players testing the game mechanics and showing areas that can easily be exploited to produce results that the devs do not wish, is a good thing. So hats off to the pirates for exposing this weakness in the game design. My only question is, will these loopholes be fixed and the topic addressed? Because if you take a big picture look at how this hurts the game, you'll see this kind of exploit removes the relevance of a lot of players (anyone who isn't directly in the PB) from having fun and participating. It's also an unfair advantage for the Pirate faction as constructed because they are the only faction who can use this exploit. Considering they are one of the bigger factions in the game, this is a pretty huge advantage and will only get worse on official release when you have a majority of players flocking to the pirates.

 

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