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11 minutes ago, Hodo said:

You could say it is OP if a Privateer and a Rattlesnake jump the same LGV.  Both can run him down no matter WHAT point of sail he takes and both can easily stern camp him.

Fact is a Surprise is a hunting Frigate, just like the Trincomalee, they both are pure built hunters and VERY good at that.  

So I should just roll over and just give up when a fleet of player ships attack me in my LGV or Indiamen?  I never do.  I have escaped fleets of player ships chasing me with all kinds of variation in ship compositions and with enormous odds stacked against me several times, and I always manged to get away with my cargo.  Its all about conserving your sail HP and using your repair strategically timed and knocking down the enemy sails.  

Much like the old pirate refit pre patch, these new bonuses are equally as bad.  Some of them are so bad in fact, I cannot see how anyone can defend them.  

Edited by Yar Matey

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While I can be sympathetic with that opinion Matey do not forget that weight/mass does affect OW and battle speed curves, acceleration, etc

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Just now, Yar Matey said:

You could say I should just roll over and just give up, but I never do.  I have escaped fleets of player ships chasing me with all kinds of variation in ship compositions and with enormous odds stacked against me several times, and I always manged to get away with my cargo.  Its all about conserving your sail HP and using your repair strategically timed and knocking down the enemy sails.  

Much like the old pirate refit pre patch, these new bonuses are equally as bad.  Some of them are so bad in fact, I cannot see how anyone can defend them.  

If you were that good before you should be that good now.  I know I have won fights I should have lost, and lost fights I should have won.  

So again it comes down to your tag, and your skill in your ship.    It isnt as breaking as you make it out to be.   I would be more worried about how I can over come the obstacle instead of bitching about it.

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7 minutes ago, elite92 said:

once we have the refit BP we can craft a ship with : WOOD FRAMES , WOOD PLANKING , REFIT ?

Only frames and planking. Refit is like a permanent upgrade.

 

all stuff for crafting:

 

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow lets go said:

Only frames and planking. Refit is like a permanent upgrade.

 

all stuff for crafting:

 

so its 1 use and it tooks a perm up slot of 3?

 

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29 minutes ago, elite92 said:

and u can stack 3 different refits?

Spanish Rig Refit
Elite Spanish Rig Refit
British Rig Refit
Elite British Rig Refit
French Rig Refit
Elite French Rig Refit
Pirate Rig Refit
Elite Pirate Rig Refit
Bovenwinds Refit

These refits cannot be installed in the same time on a ship

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6 minutes ago, Ink said:
Spanish Rig Refit
Elite Spanish Rig Refit
British Rig Refit
Elite British Rig Refit
French Rig Refit
Elite French Rig Refit
Pirate Rig Refit
Elite Pirate Rig Refit
Bovenwinds Refit

Those refits cannot be installed in the same time on a ship

Please add a separate square just for refit, add gold frame around it. Do not mix them with regular upgrade slots please. It will confuse people even more. 

Edited by Ned Low

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3 minutes ago, Busterbloodvessel said:

Has the Frenchies Rig Refit got any cannons?

I need something for me Cap-Francois basic cutter.

Buster (small boat sales)

 

Rig refit is not about cannons, Captain. Check the table in the first post

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good evening!
I have the elite pirate refit and it seems to give a downwind advantage:
MAST_PHYSICS_MAIN_SAIL_FORCE_BONUS: 0.15
MAST_PHYSICS_JIB_SAIL_FORCE_BONUS: -0.15
Am I wrong?

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Turn it back to Dropchance and they will be still rare. and only some have it.. and it will be an enourmes win.. if someone can cap this ship(s)

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2 hours ago, Yar Matey said:

So I should just roll over and just give up when a fleet of player ships attack me in my LGV or Indiamen?  I never do.  I have escaped fleets of player ships chasing me with all kinds of variation in ship compositions and with enormous odds stacked against me several times, and I always manged to get away with my cargo.  Its all about conserving your sail HP and using your repair strategically timed and knocking down the enemy sails.  

Much like the old pirate refit pre patch, these new bonuses are equally as bad.  Some of them are so bad in fact, I cannot see how anyone can defend them.  

If you are in a lone LGV being chased by two pirates, one with pirate refit and the other with Spanish, it is indeed a worst case scenario. But is it game unbalance?

To achieve this situation some hurdles must be crossed.  First the LGV must be traveling solo and away from shore batteries. Second, Pirate A must have come by a rare refit. Third Pirate B must have also come by a complimentary rare refit to the one Pirate A has.  Possible but not all that likely untill much later in the game.  To build a refit now requires items from the market in that specific region and a PVE drop from NPCs also harvested in that region.  Though possible these are pretty tall hurdles.

Now let's consider the fight. The LGV chooses its best wind and if good tags with range. In the ensuing chase one of the pirate ships will be advantaged and the other disadvantaged.  So the LGV needs to figure out how to slow the one advantaged pirate while sailing away from the others. Not an easy task but not impossible for a good LGV captain.

Other factors. We did not discuss if the LGV captain has prepared ahead of time. Does the LGV also have a rare refit? Did the LGV captain purposely not completely fill his cargo space to keep speeds up? Did the LGV reduce guns for speed? Did the LGV have the cargo space perk? 

This early after reset I do not think this in unbalanced. This might change later in the year when certain ref its may no longer be rare?

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26 minutes ago, MassimoSud said:

good evening!
I have the elite pirate refit and it seems to give a downwind advantage:
MAST_PHYSICS_MAIN_SAIL_FORCE_BONUS: 0.15
MAST_PHYSICS_JIB_SAIL_FORCE_BONUS: -0.15
Am I wrong?

I got it as well and my write up also suggests its main sail bonus jib penalty.

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3 hours ago, ironhammer500 said:

Well this game is headed that way where the major hardcore clans will get everything while small casuals will be wiped out. Everything is setup so major clans can dominate so much better with numbers/money so on.

I would have to agree. There are only several factions and the most competitive always dominate the relatively small map.

If the Devs ever open up the entire world, thousands of more ports, and also most importantly allow players to have their own countries and take the ports for their own clans, alliances etc THEN the more casual have a chance.

The important thing then, is that there must be over extension penalties for empires. so that when one group gets so many ports, its that much harder for them to keep expanding. this balances things out so a few super hard core groups cant take everything.

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7 hours ago, Yar Matey said:

@Hodo  Its the combination of running a fleet of ships with these refits.  For example, 1 player is in a surprise with a pirate refit, and 1 player is in a surprise with a elite Spanish refit.  There is no way a player in a LGV or an Indiamen stands a chance of escaping.  Take it from the guy who has been doing trade runs for a long time in this game, and who has outrun fleets of chasing player ships vs my solo indamen or LGV.  I have never lost my cargo to a gank squad.  But have lost plenty of warships to them.  

If that player was jumped by those two ships without refits he's prob not going to get away any way. 

And I bet you haven't lost a single ship in the new system either?   Cargo ships are pretty much screwed period if they are hit now in OW unless some one got a really bad tag.  Bring an escort.  Though I think your just making up problems that aren't there yet.  Why don't we wait and see how things roll out.  As spoken below by @Hodo you get hit by very big penalties on almost all mods on the other side of the bonus for just about every refit.

6 hours ago, Hodo said:

If a player in a LGV gets jumped by 2 surprises run by players then he shouldnt have been sailing through there.  

Sorry but cargo ships should not be trying to out run anything if they are loaded with cargo.. they should play smart and avoid hotly contested or high traffic areas.  

And bring some friends if you need to go into those hot spots.  We have been raided at mort by French players since day one of the patch.  I'm going to bet none of the other nations have had this issues. We get that they are catching us in La Tort to Mort run, so we made it a standing order in our clan that you don't make that run without others escorting you, but they gotten ballzy.  They been hitting traders around Ocean Brite and Islet too.   We really give them much props for doing this, but I  bet you no other nation is feeling this.  So with that @Yar Matey we see first hand what a group of Surprises can do and if some one paired up two with the two sides perk we would be catching at least one of those guys ever time causee they will have one ship in the bad wind every time they pick a direction of wind and we would be catching them.   Like Hobo said it gives some pretty heavy penalities.  Since I take it your still in a nation that isn't getting harassed a bit (US still?) than you haven't had hardly any PvP yet have you?  I lost 2 Trader Brigs, a Surpise and countless Basic Cutters so far since patch and it's haven't even been a week.   

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4 hours ago, Hodo said:

You will gain 15% more main sail force, so on ships like the Mercury, Rattlesnake, or Brig you will see a decent increase in downwind speed.   BUT the loss of 15% of jib sail force is a huge drop when sailing anywhere near close hauled into the wind. You could turn a Snow from its very well rounded sailing performance to sailing like an Endymion. 

I liked what they did, in the past you could actually stack both Stubbing and Staysails and get bonus from one and a little from the other (conceal out the penalty). Now you pretty much have to pick on or the other.

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6 hours ago, Ink said:
Spanish Rig Refit
Elite Spanish Rig Refit
British Rig Refit
Elite British Rig Refit
French Rig Refit
Elite French Rig Refit
Pirate Rig Refit
Elite Pirate Rig Refit
Bovenwinds Refit

These refits cannot be installed in the same time on a ship

So if you have the other ones that aren't on that list than you can stack more than one?  Just trying to make this clear.

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1 minute ago, Kleinburger said:

How do you get old flag officers for the British gunnery sergeant upgrade ?

It's either a drop or you can get it from some regions (British) in stores.  I'm not sure if that is one of them that drops in stores.

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13 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

So if you have the other ones that aren't on that list than you can stack more than one?  Just trying to make this clear.

I think what he means is this.

1. You cannot have more than one refit each on a ship, so you can't have two of the same refits on a ship

2. The list above he states that you can only have 1 of those, not both on the ship.

So if you had the french rig refit, you MUST destroy it before you would put the elite french rig refit. You cannot have both on one ship.

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12 hours ago, Yar Matey said:

Yes yes, the you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that argument! (rolls his eyes)  Great way to keep casual and solo players active in this game, give them a strict disadvantage in any combat situation with their non-refitted trade and war ships.  I have been doing trade runs and building ships, outfitting entire clans running solo trade runs for hundreds and hundreds of hours.  What these refits do is make it so I stand no chance of ever escaping from a squad of players with these refitted bonuses.  I am at a strict disadvantage.

Your argument holds no weight when put into practice.  A new player logs in does some missions in a cutter, finds out he needs to do some trading to get money and resources, gets an LGV, tries to do some trade runs, loses his ship and cargo to a small fleet of surprises, rinse and repeats this a few times, then quits the game after not making any progress in the game.  Joke was on him the whole time, he never stood a chance, hes using a ship with no refits!  HA!  

Repeating this for great justice.  I have not returned to the game because I'm not sure I'll be able to be a casual player.  I enjoy the occasional PVP, but mostly, I just like to sail around, do some trading, crafting, and missions.  With the one durability patch, even those free ships to entice me to return don't turn me on.  I just don't have the time to invest in simply staying alive when I play.  I want to keep making progress.  There must be some sort of balance to where solo and casual players can enjoy playing and contributing to their faction and friends without endless fear of gank squads taking away what little progress or wealth/ships he's accumulated.  

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