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The shipbuilder chooses the frames wood and the planking wood. Fir and Oak are produced by player buildings  (Trader Tool 'P') and the other woods are available from NPCs (Trader Tool 'A') with contracts possible.

 

The system is revamped from the initial testbed iterations:

  • stats changed based on gameplay
  • stat specificities emphasized
  • crew resistances increased because the values are rounded
  • white oak becomes a rare wood
  • distribution changed based on gameplay
  • most often, 2 ports per supplying region
  • smuggler contracts disabled

 

 The stats affected in shipbuilding are:

  • Structure HPs
  • Armor HPs
  • Thickness
  • Leaks resistance
  • Crew resistance
  • Fire spread resistance
  • Speed
  • Acceleration
  • Turn

Also the vessels lose thickness when damaged, depending on the frames wood category.

 

The woods are (per wood category)

  • Light
    • Fir
    • Bermuda Cedar (rare)
  • Medium
    • Mahogany
    • Oak
    • Sabicu
    • White Oak (rare)
  • Heavy
    • Teak (rare)
  • Very Heavy
    • Caguairan (rare, frames only)
    • Live Oak (rare, frames only)

 

Stats & graph

 
  FRAMES PLANKING
  Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Caguairan Live Oak Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Crew Space
Structure HPs -3.% -2.5% 2.% 3.% 2.% 5.% 5.% 10.% 5.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -1.5%
Armor HPs -5.% -3.% 0.5% 0.5% 7.% 2.% 15.% 3.% 2.5% -5.% -3.% 0.5% 1.% 3.% 2.% 3.% -0.5%
Thickness - 7.% - 4.% - 2.% 5.% 0.% 4.% 4.% 6.5% 10.% - 4.% - 4.% - 2.% 0.% 0.% 3.% 5.% 0.%
Leaks Resistance -1.5% -0.5% -1.% 2.% -1.5% 1.% 1.% 2.% 2.% -10.% -5.% 5.% 10.% -0.5% 1.% 0.5% -0.5%
Crew Resistance 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -20.% -10.% 15.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.%
Fire Increase Resistance -10.% -5.% 10.% 7.% -3.% 1.5%   9.% 6.% -2.% -1.5% 3.% 3.% -1.% 0.5%   -1.%
Max Speed 7.% 5.% 4.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -5.% -6.5% -10.% 5.% 5.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25%
Acceleration 5.% 5.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -3.% -4.% -5.% 3.% 3.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25%
Rudder Turn rate 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13%
Turn acceleration 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13%
Crew                                 10.%

 

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Shipbuilding tooltips will be added at a later stage but until then here is a simulator for PvPers and crafters:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1swZ70gctKcZTHYrDJfqtyZf24vhByZt4F-3TphCYgN4/edit#gid=1055841935

To be able to change the inputs:

  • if you have a google account, select 'File' then 'Make a copy'
  • to use it with another program, select 'File' then 'Download as'

 

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About Live Oak--while it's certainly heavy and strong (and wears out shipbuilding tools to no end), I'm not convinced that Live Oak framing decreases speed in the real world as much as these stats would suggest.  It says here that white oak frames were in one case changed for live oak frames "to increase her capacity and speed," and in another to add durability.

https://books.google.com/books?id=jWU7AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=live+oak+ship+frames+speed&source=bl&ots=C7szIHzSFp&sig=LHal9FXbMDE7eB9Jng98U-ziOZg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjj5LzSmsPUAhVCcD4KHTRKAPwQ6AEIQDAG#v=onepage&q=live oak ship frames speed&f=false

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can we have an update for the recent changes to woob bonuses? you guys made my spreadsheet obsolete mere 12 hours after i finished it lol!

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Still very bad balancing. For a basic combat ship 8 out of 9 frameparts are useless, so are 4-5 out of 7 planks. 63 possible combinations, 2-3 viable combinations.

Pls work on it, only small tweaks are needed.

Here an actual comparison including the most important boni: 

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(References arent perfect, but thats roughly how i would evaluate them as a experienced captain and shipbuilder. Results fit reality, so it cant be far off. (Reference means value of 1% speed equals value of 1,5% turnrate, etc.))

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2 hours ago, Quineloe said:

So Teak Frame, Mahagony Planking is best according to you?

And whiteoak planks ofcourse. Mahogany is quite specific, and only best when crew loss matters and you need the speed. When hull damage is a bigger problem (probably in most cases), whiteoak planks are better. When you want speed and hull resistance,  its also whiteoak, cause there are no faster planks with balanced hull boni.

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When going broadside / broadside with AI ships for fastest kill, thickness doesn't really matter - they're gonna penetrate anyways. But reduced crew loss => reduced crew rebuy.

I assume having Mahagony does the same thing as Iron Knees in that regard, they're the same stats?

sounds like the teak Mahagony ship is the perfect one for grinding AI.

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1 hour ago, Quineloe said:

When going broadside / broadside with AI ships for fastest kill, thickness doesn't really matter - they're gonna penetrate anyways. But reduced crew loss => reduced crew rebuy.

I assume having Mahagony does the same thing as Iron Knees in that regard, they're the same stats?

sounds like the teak Mahagony ship is the perfect one for grinding AI.

The reduced crew rebuy cost is really the last thing you should care about. When you make 30k in a mission you dont care about +-300g crew cost... Mahogany only makes sense for PvP in my opinion. Use Teak/wo and angle enemy shots, or keep some distance when you want to reduce repair/crew cost. Unless youre hugging the AI, its better in every other situation.

There is also a skillbook that reduces crew loss by 15%, thats also why its not easy to evaluate mahogany. You basically have to use this skill on a mahogany ship, cause otherwise a teak/wo ship using the skill would outvalue you. You save one skill slot, but not many skills can outvalue the remaining difference between mahogany and whiteoak planks. Also assumed 15% crew resistance would be sufficient, mahogany would be quite useless. Thats a problem with upgrades/skills beeing as powerful as the frameparts and planks itself.

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On 24/5/2017 at 7:19 PM, Barberouge said:

The shipbuilder chooses the frames wood and the planking wood. Fir and Oak are produced by player buildings  (Trader Tool 'P') and the other woods are available from NPCs (Trader Tool 'A') with contracts possible.

 

The system is revamped from the initial testbed iterations:

  • stats changed based on gameplay
  • stat specificities emphasized
  • crew resistances increased because the values are rounded
  • white oak becomes a rare wood
  • distribution changed based on gameplay
  • most often, 2 ports per supplying region
  • smuggler contracts disabled

 

 The stats affected in shipbuilding are:

  • Structure HPs
  • Armor HPs
  • Thickness
  • Leaks resistance
  • Crew resistance
  • Fire spread resistance
  • Speed
  • Acceleration
  • Turn

Also the vessels lose thickness when damaged, depending on the frames wood category.

 

The woods are (per wood category)

  • Light
    • Fir
    • Bermuda Cedar (rare)
  • Medium
    • Mahogany
    • Oak
    • Sabicu
    • White Oak (rare)
  • Heavy
    • Teak (rare)
  • Very Heavy
    • Caguairan (rare, frames only)
    • Live Oak (rare, frames only)

 

Stats & graph

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  FRAMES PLANKING
  Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Caguairan Live Oak Fir Bermuda Cedar Mahogany Teak Oak Sabicu White Oak Crew Space
Structure HPs -3.% -2.5% 2.% 3.% 2.% 5.% 5.% 10.% 5.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -1.5%
Armor HPs -5.% -3.% 0.5% 0.5% 7.% 2.% 15.% 3.% 2.5% -5.% -3.% 0.5% 1.% 3.% 2.% 3.% -0.5%
Thickness - 7.% - 4.% - 2.% 5.% 0.% 4.% 4.% 6.5% 10.% - 4.% - 4.% - 2.% 0.% 0.% 3.% 5.% 0.%
Leaks Resistance -1.5% -0.5% -1.% 2.% -1.5% 1.% 1.% 2.% 2.% -10.% -5.% 5.% 10.% -0.5% 1.% 0.5% -0.5%
Crew Resistance 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% -20.% -10.% 15.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.% 0.%
Fire Increase Resistance -10.% -5.% 10.% 7.% -3.% 1.5%   9.% 6.% -2.% -1.5% 3.% 3.% -1.% 0.5%   -1.%
Max Speed 7.% 5.% 4.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -5.% -6.5% -10.% 5.% 5.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25%
Acceleration 5.% 5.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% -3.% -4.% -5.% 3.% 3.% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.25%
Rudder Turn rate 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13%
Turn acceleration 4.% 2.% 3.% 3.% 1.% 1.% 0.% -1.% -2.% 1.75% 1.75% 1.5% 1.75% -0.25% 0.5% 0.5% -0.13%
Crew                                 10.%

 

2ddoEaF.png

 

Shipbuilding tooltips will be added at a later stage but until then here is a simulator for PvPers and crafters:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1swZ70gctKcZTHYrDJfqtyZf24vhByZt4F-3TphCYgN4/edit#gid=1055841935

To be able to change the inputs:

  • if you have a google account, select 'File' then 'Make a copy'
  • to use it with another program, select 'File' then 'Download as'

 

Can we get this post updated with the recent values?

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23 hours ago, Quineloe said:

Which value is not up to date?

As with all threads in this forums the latest version is in danger of becoming bogged down in all the comments.. Depending on wether or not there comes more changes to the woodtypes ofcourse, I just think it would be easier if good practice was introduced and devs updated the original post instead of inserting the new values somewhere in the commentary..

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