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9 minutes ago, Wigermo said:

Rip full port battles

Off topic but why would they not be full?  We are getting a hopefully better balance server with pop merger and maybe some players returning.  Yes some times there won't be full battles and other times there will be way to many on each side.   And the Devs said it's only temp for now, they might turn it back on, they might come up with something better, hell they might just scrap it all.

3 minutes ago, PIerrick de Badas said:

The solution on max rank for everyone than purchase the game before the wipe is not bad but...what about craft xp?

everyone level 50? It would be silly...

I'm against folks getting free rank up any types that didn't earn the rank.  Many of those guys prob don't even know how to manual sail and such that are still in cutters, they don't need to be Admirals the push of a button or crafting ships I busted my arse to get to level 50 crafter for.  They should earn the ranks the same way the rest of us did.

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Just now, Hethwill said:

I would think release wipe would remove all assets except XP, thus rendering redeemable items .... non existent.

Except for our special reward ships? So we'll all still have some kind of redeemables presumably? Why not xp as well?

I'm confused here as to why at release time there won't be another full-wipe of the sort we are doing now? Making all this hand-wringing a bit premature anyway. It seems like we would want at least one more chance to completely rework or balance nations, clean up the economy from assuredly unbalanced mechanics that will emerge with new changes, and reset the map?

3 minutes ago, Powderhorn said:

(players love choices)

Actually, psychology experiments have shown that players and people in general tend to be much more happy with outcomes when they have fewer choices (less chance for buyer's regret, etc.). But when choices are made for them when they know that many alternatives exist which were viable and better... that's when players get cranky. ;) 

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5 minutes ago, Wigermo said:

Pandora?

Pandora will be like yacht.. it is tied to steam as DLC and has a steam key and everything. 
Thus SHE won't have problems with account deletions or player removals or server changes. 
(yacht is a hidden DLC)

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2 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Actually, psychology experiments have shown that players and people in general tend to be much more happy with outcomes when they have fewer choices (less chance for buyer's regret, etc.). But when choices are made for them when they know that many alternatives exist which were viable and better... that's when players get cranky. ;) 

I would say something to the effect of, "be worse people," but I see the reports... :P

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Just now, Wraith said:

Except for our special reward ships? So we'll all still have some kind of redeemables presumably? Why not xp as well?

I'm confused here as to why at release time there won't be another full-wipe of the sort we are doing now? Making all this hand-wringing a bit premature anyway. It seems like we would want at least one more chance to completely rework or balance nations, clean up the economy from assuredly unbalanced mechanics that will emerge with new changes, and reset the map?

Reward ships being the Yacht and/or Pandora AFAIK.

"would want at least one more chance to completely rework or balance nations, clean up the economy from assuredly unbalanced mechanics that will emerge with new changes, and reset the map" - that's exactly what I hope for the wipe onwards. Players and Nations learned a lot and surely will make the same mistakes again... in another way but as community I think we matured a bit and can provide good content.

 

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1 minute ago, Wraith said:

Except for our special reward ships? So we'll all still have some kind of redeemables presumably? Why not xp as well?

I'm confused here as to why at release time there won't be another full-wipe of the sort we are doing now? Making all this hand-wringing a bit premature anyway. It seems like we would want at least one more chance to completely rework or balance nations, clean up the economy from assuredly unbalanced mechanics that will emerge with new changes, and reset the map?

Actually, psychology experiments have shown that players and people in general tend to be much more happy with outcomes when they have fewer choices (less chance for buyer's regret, etc.). But when choices are made for them when they know that many alternatives exist which were viable and better... that's when players get cranky. ;) 

Who is saying there won't be a wipe at release?  They prob will do it the exact same way.  Wipe every thing and than day of release we log in with our chars and we redeem our levels and any gift we earned from being EA and testers.  If you don't want to rank up to your tester rank just don't redeem those items.

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4 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

 

I'm against folks getting free rank up any types that didn't earn the rank.  Many of those guys prob don't even know how to manual sail and such that are still in cutters, they don't need to be Admirals the push of a button or crafting ships I busted my arse to get to level 50 crafter for.  They should earn the ranks the same way the rest of us did.

we think that we better make ensigns rear admiral and add 3 more ranks (admiral, secretary of the navy, 3rd Lord etc)
than have problems with rear admirals who lost redeemables because their cat used it accidentally. 

we don't believe ensigns are coming back in droves as well. 

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Just now, admin said:

pandora will be like yacht.. it is tied to steam as DLC. Thus SHE won't have problems with account deletions or player removals or server changes. 
(yacht is a hidden DLC)

what if u delete ALL STUFF , everything xp ecc. and then when we log in for the first time we choose which rank we want? would this be possible?

i mean in this way who want a fresh restart (im thinking about it) can do it, and who want max rank can obtain it easily. this would be a nice gift for all the tester

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4 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Who is saying there won't be a wipe at release?  They prob will do it the exact same way.  Wipe every thing and than day of release we log in with our chars and we redeem our levels and any gift we earned from being EA and testers.  If you don't want to rank up to your tester rank just don't redeem those items.

final asset wipe will happen on release

xp will either be saved as a redeemable now (with some risks that a lot of players will make mistakes and ruin their xp) - game might change before release

or it will be saved and given as a redeemable on release (where less changes will happen) either in form of gift to all early access players or in some other form.
 

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2 minutes ago, admin said:

we think that we better make ensigns rear admiral and add 3 more ranks (admiral, secretary of the navy, 3rd Lord etc)
than have problems with rear admirals who lost redeemables because their cat used it accidentally. 

we don't believe ensigns are coming back in droves as well. 

My cat is to lazy to play NA, I tried...she just won't do it.  Than again she hates seafood and catnip.....Really think I have a broken cat.

So no worries there, but lets be honest if they are going to be making those mistakes than there prob no hope for them any way.  Can't kiss every one arse to make them happy.  I'm an old salty sailor and don't agree with every thing ya'll do, but I live with it after a bunch of grumpy comments.

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15 minutes ago, admin said:

Current preliminary proposal (using redeemables) has the following drawbacks
1) it does not allow to test new player experince
2) kids can delete your redeemables 
3) you can redeem by mistake and then change you mind
4) you might be a late comer who never had a character on one of the servers
5) you might have been in space and never read any news

redeemables now have a potential problem. Person deletes it - loses everything, with no way to recover. 

Full wipe now and full grant of max rank to ALL players who participated in early access release has no above mentioned drawbacks. 

  • You will get rank even if you were in space
  • You will get rank even if someone deleted something or you wanted to change nation 5 times
  • You will get rank higher than your current one and if you don't like it - delete after release and start fresh.





 

How to fix drawbacks

1) Introduce Double XP weekends. This will promote new account/ character creation and will increase game sales. 

2)Must type 'Redeem' before opening such item. 

3) # 2 takes care of both, but you can also add 'are you sure? once used it can't be used again'

4) #1 will speed up lvling + introduce xp booster packs to your Game store. 

5) Add such items to your 'New player' guided ingame tutorial. Works every time.  

Although I still prefer Full wipe now and full grant of max rank to ALL players who participated in early access release has no above mentioned drawbacks. 

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Please do not wipe XP/Crafting prior release, because:

- We in Sweden/HRE have new players frequently and get a lot of feedback from them, which we would hand onwards if needed.
- I do strongly opt for a complete wipe at release/leaving EA, to have a proper start; that leads to...
- ... a lot of players (active and also currently inactive) wouldn't see the point to start anew if there would be a complete wipe at release.
- We want to be testing endgame content (being 95% of the game for most) fully in the remaining EA time, and i think we need all the time we can get.

I do strongly suggest a full wipe at release, those who want a reset now, can delete their account and start from scratch.
 

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2 minutes ago, Ned Loe said:

Although I still prefer Full wipe now and full grant of max rank to ALL players who participated in early access release has no above mentioned drawbacks. 

Except the fact that many folks have not done much to help with the testing of the game and it's growth so why should they be rewarded with max rank up upon release if they haven't all ready earned it by than by playing the game?  That and all the alts that will be instantly leveled up that weren't all ready.

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4 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Except the fact that many folks have not done much to help with the testing of the game and it's growth so why should they be rewarded with max rank up upon release if they haven't all ready earned it by than by playing the game?  That and all the alts that will be instantly leveled up that weren't all ready.

They paid $40 to support development financially and not physically. Their $40 were spent on new 3d model that other testers can fine tune physically. 

Edited by Ned Loe

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I would say take the easiest route. If that requires a complete wipe so you can start with a fresh slate then do it. We can catchup later with xp, ships, ports, etc. Of course rank (and hopefully craft level) will remain. 

 

 

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Just now, Ned Loe said:

They paid $40 to support development. 

No they paid to play a game and support the development. I never been in any Alpha testing that gave you max level just for logging in upon game release.  Hell most wiped you clean and you had to start fresh just like any new player at release time.  With maybe a few rewards for your time in testing.

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50 minutes ago, admin said:

Full wipe now and full grant of max rank to ALL players who participated in early access release has no above mentioned drawbacks. 

  • You will get rank even if you were in space
  • You will get rank even if someone deleted something or you wanted to change nation 5 times
  • You will get rank higher than your current one and if you don't like it - delete after release and start fresh.





 

This looks like the most reasonable solution, if we want as many players as possible back w/o wtf moments and frustration.  Besides, this might motivate beginners to stay. I really do not care about everyone getting max rank over night, I am worried about veteran's getting back and having unpleasant surprises, if the redeemable XP is implemented and things go wrong.

P.S. Will this granted XP apply to characters on all servers? That would be nice, cause everyone is concerned about proper nation/server choice.

Edited by Stilgar

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I think either of the two solutions suggested will work just fine.  Personally I don't care if everything is wiped including XP, but for sake of promises kept just please be sure that at release those who do decide to return to the game don't get blindsided, and have what they thought they would (plus a bonus too maybe).  So duplicate the redeemable XP on final release, but do not remove the redeemable XP between now and then so if players haven't returned in the interum to redeem it, then you can just roll it over.

Also, as a game designer, you can't be responsible for people's cat's, kids, dogs, clumsy fingers, lack of reading, or anything else out of your control, so don't worry about it.  Let people be responsible for their own actions, and just make it clear how they are to proceed.

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1. If I wish to play on PvP Global after wipe and currently I'm on PvP 1 do I still need to do this? Or after wipe I will just get my xp and craft lvl.

2. So when I use reedemeble xp and then I decide to switch nation I loose my xp and craft lvl ?

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Just now, Otto Kohl said:

1. If I wish to play on PvP Global after wipe and currently I'm on PvP 1 do I still need to do this? Or after wipe I will just get my xp and craft lvl.

2. So when I use reedemeble xp and then I decide to switch nation I loose my xp and craft lvl ?

You need to

  • use all your labour on PvP1
  • create a character on PvP2
  • log in and fight something

After the wipe, you get one pair of redeemables (combat xp and craft xp). If you don't use them and change nations, you'll still have them in your new nation. If you do use them, tough.

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Ps: you promised multiple times that players will keep their xp and craft. Now you say that if inactive players (95% of people who bought the game) who won't sink a ship in a month time will need to start from a scratch and will not get their lvl and craft. If you do this game will lose A LOT of players. You probably don't care, you took their money already, but WE DO, because we want to play this game.

Please tell me I'm wrong because if not....

 

 

That's totall bull#hit, you LIED to your customers, thousands of people. That's pure lack of respect and a great show of TERRIBLE eastern block PR (I'm from Poland so I know what's terrible PR).

And then you cry about reviews on steam. I'm really thinking off puting my own using my all 3 accounts.

Edited by Otto Kohl

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15 minutes ago, Otto Kohl said:

Ps: you promised multiple times that players will keep their xp and craft. Now you say that if inactive players (95% of people who bought the game) who won't sink a ship in a month time will need to start from a scratch and will not get their lvl and craft.

That's totall bull#hit, you LIED to your customers thousands of people. That's pure lack of respect and a great show of TERRIBLE eastern block PR. And then you cry about reviews on steam. I'm really thinking off puting my own.

If you never logged in to PVE server for example why should you receive something on that server after the wipe? Go sink a ship and get synched xp from your main server. If you never had any xp anywhere where it will come from.. Inactive players will have their XP on the server where they were active last. If they never visited other servers.. well. XP is safe on the server they always played. 

now your claims about lies and lack of respect are breaking several forum rules. Continue this way on the official forums and we will transfer your forum account to reddit. We don't care about toxic reviews - sorry. 

 

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do i have to log in on all the servers before the patch or after the patch..?

Edited by Thonys

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