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Sir Texas Sir    3,661
38 minutes ago, admin said:

https://www.facebook.com/NavalAction/
its pinned on top of the page
it was cross posted multiple times here by players. 

So on Facebook which prob a good chunk of the players never see or even have.  What next going to do official post on twitter and other things?

13 minutes ago, Farrago said:

Admin, please have one official section or thread where only you can post and where official announcements are kept current. It's quite difficult for your players to find good -- that is official -- information.

I agree and since this is the FORUMS which is the official spot I going to say than your post of void saying this on FB and not on here.   I'm sorry while I have ya'll followed I don't get every post on FB cause it isn't a high traffic source.  Hell I don't even have twitter so don't start doing like a certain other big name company and posting info on 50 different media except on there forums.

This is why I stated ya'll should have one thread with announcements that only ya'll can post in so you post the announcements and make post stating it's been updated but no one else can post on it.  That way info doesn't get lost 20 pages into a post cause we can't see every post cause some folks aren't on 24/7.  Than you make a feedback/discussion post that has the same info, but we can give our feedback to.

 

Hello Captains.

This is an information post as we are getting questions in private messages and in posts to a page about the updates. For quality assurance reasons all patches and changes in 2017 are first deployed to testbed before going out to user version.

Since beginning of 2017 more than 5 updates of varied size were deployed to testbed including Admiralty store, changes to durability, changes to perks with fleets, structural damage and many other features based on your feedback.

We are currently finishing the feature allowing you to use cargo hold of your fleet and once its done the patch will be sent out to the main servers. We just did not want to spam you with unnecessary messages before the work was actually done and deployed to main server.

You can play on the testbed server yourself. Here is the link explaining how you can join and participate 
http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php…

P.S From now on we will try to post more about what is going on with coding of the game and modelling of the new vessels.

Now this is what I assume you mean was posted.  Now tell me where exactly it says live is dead and they aren't putting patches to it until the wipe?   I get the current stuff can't be cause of game mechanics, but the stuff that has been on there since Feb could of been updated to the game even the silly 3 dura stuff and that would give us more content and prob would shut a lot of players up for a bit (hay we will always bitch about something).   Which I'll be honest if you do the patch to tested and in a few weeks it goes to live that is exactly how most of us expect the patch/testbed to work, but what the majority of us don't understand why has not of the stuff before this current update has not been pushed along to live for players to test and play with.  The structure system and ships with 3 duras (though that part could of been left off), the Pirate vs Pirates stuff and hell even some of the admiralty and new OW AI stuff could of been pushed to live a month ago before this patch changes was even announced since they have been on test bed for over a month.  But instead you stopped every thing and made the game go stale cause you announced a wipe in a few weeks 4-6 and not that it's a month later and we haven't even got the patch to testbed and folks aren't expecting the patch to make it live any time soon folks have stopped playing.  Cause why should we play on a dead server of content that doens't matter and will be wiped?

Last night there was only 40 on PvP2, 30 something on PvP1, 20 something on PvE and 3 on Testbed during US prime time.  A time when there would normally be proib about 300-400 players online between the servers had less than 100.

Folks have been asking this week if the patch is even going to make it to testbed this week as we been told.  There has been zero answer on both the english and russian furoms when this is asked.  So lets be straight with each other.  Is the patch going to make it to testbed by the end of this week or should we expect it some time next week maybe?  Which would prob mean that we won't see the patch going live around the 19/20 or even the end of April if we don't see it this week on testbed.

 

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AngryPanCake    308

If you guys have noticed that most of the negative "game reviews" are not reviewing the actual game, but mainly complaints against the dev team.

A critical mind would go past, or at least not give those reviews a significant weight, unfortunately, many people do not use critical thinking and just seeing "mostly negative" reviews is enough for them to steer away from purchasing the game.

The other thing I noticed is, most negative reviews got over 50% "helpful" and most positive ones got less. There is definitely a core of extremely unhappy people on steam that are bent on discrediting NA no mater what good features are added.

It's quite disheartening!

PS: there is a recent review from a player Trim, who wrote a positive review there, please read it and make sure you give it a thumb up if you agree with it. Or any of the positive reviews for that matter.

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z4ys    1,608

Unfortunately a lie can be the truth for a new customer. He cant judge a review by his own game experience, because he doesnt own the game yet. Its up to us to judge ratings because we have the expericance. We dont have to be fanboys but it is our duty to flag reviews that are full of lies.

 

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AngryPanCake    308
1 minute ago, z4ys said:

Unfortunately a lie can be the truth for a new customer. He cant judge a review by his own game experience, because he doesnt own the game yet. Its up to us to judge ratings because we have the expericance. We dont have to be fanboys but it is our duty to flag reviews that are full of lies.

I just tried, but I kept getting error 15! that's weird.

I was gonna put as a reason for the flag: "this is not a review of the game itself, but a review of the devs. Therefore not a fair review!".

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Error 15 usually means you're not logged in.

Error 16 seems to be some sort of time out or too many requests in a short amount of time.

Double check that you're logged in and try again please!

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AngryPanCake    308
12 minutes ago, Henry d'Esterre Darby said:

Error 15 usually means you're not logged in.

Error 16 seems to be some sort of time out or too many requests in a short amount of time.

Double check that you're logged in and try again please!

Thanks, I'll do that.

EDIT: I was not logged in...it worked just fine after logging in. Thanks for the info.

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1 hour ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Most of the bad reviews I seen are older but I been kidna going through and skimming some of them and putting in my two cents for the BS ones that are just a bunch of snowflakes that are butthurt.  Specially the ones of folks that don't even have a weeks worth of game time and complaining about other parts of the game or things that aren't part of the game but cause some one said this or that.  Figure might as well don't got anything better to do until testbed is updated.

We haven't seen the full changes yet and folks need to remember the three meta's won't be able to be crafted by every one at start.   So we will see a lot of other ships instead.  I think we should wait and see how things or before we got asking for any nerf or buffs.   It's actually going to be nice the first week or so cause every one won't be in the top best ships cause we be gathering mats and crafting ships and getting the Marks for the BP's we need.  So some of the first port battles is going to be a mix of ships and maybe not so boring as having all one type of ship and builds.

 

@admin Going to ask this every freaking day until some one gets an answer.  Is testbed going to be patch this week or we going have to wait another week?  As now we are at the end of the week and folks have been waiting on this.   An answer/update would be nice.

@Sir Texas Sir I commend you.

I to have been going through the bad reviews and they all seem to be very trollish but they all seem to have one thing in common. They seem to want this game to fail very badly. Their reasoning behind their reviews seem a bit personal and not very objective, which makes me feel that they are rather disingenuous.

I have been pointing out the numerous 2 hour or less (one is 12 mins!) play time reviews as bogus or alt accounts. 

One so called reviewer said he stopped playing because he read bad reviews, so he gave one to!! Complete idiots, IMHO.

Some even complain that the Dev's dont listen and keep changing things!! (Like..... its an alpha game people.....things change). 

Would be nice if more players pointed out these obvious attacks for what they are. Trolls.

The development team will annoy us and frustrate us on the way to completion, they may implement things we don not like and take the game in a direction that we had not banked upon but without doubt, these spiteful negative, reviews for ones own gratification, will kill this game dead, far quicker than any mistake a developer can make while on the road to completion.

I just wish that players who feel angry would take a break from the game and cool off before writing such a review.

 

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Sir Texas Sir    3,661
3 minutes ago, Honourable Bluetooth said:

@Sir Texas Sir I commend you.

I to have been going through the bad reviews and they all seem to be very trollish but they all seem to have one thing in common. They seem to want this game to fail very badly. Their reasoning behind their reviews seem a bit personal and not very objective, which makes me feel that they are rather disingenuous.

I have been pointing out the numerous 2 hour or less (one is 12 mins!) play time reviews as bogus or alt accounts. 

One so called reviewer said he stopped playing because he read bad reviews, so he gave one to!! Complete idiots, IMHO.

Some even complain that the Dev's dont listen and keep changing things!! (Like..... its an alpha game people.....things change). 

Would be nice if more players pointed out these obvious attacks for what they are. Trolls.

The development team will annoy us and frustrate us on the way to completion, they may implement things we don not like and take the game in a direction that we had not banked upon but without doubt, these spiteful negative, reviews for ones own gratification, will kill this game dead, far quicker than any mistake a developer can make while on the road to completion.

I just wish that players who feel angry would take a break from the game and cool off before writing such a review.

 

Yah one of those guys even said he played offline.  Right there I called him out cause there is no offline of the game so he had no clue what the hell he was talking about.  He made his review off friends reviews and what he's read in post.  What I think is some guys get the game with some friends.  Find out it's not some World of Warship instant battle game and than give bad review and get there money back and get there friends to give the same reviews.

Like I said I might be hot headed on the forums and bug the crap out of the Devs about certain things (LIKE WHEN WE GETTING TESTBED PATCH UPDATE?), but i know what we are playing and the other stuff I like seeing. I have no problems with the coming patch (other than global chat turn off thing).  I just want to see it get on test and live some time this year.  Maybe even this month.  So I'll bitch about it here, but I won't write a bad review cause of it.  We are EA in Alpha stage of development things are going to chage for the better or some times worse.   It's no where close to the finish product and folks need to understand that. 

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Ghroznak    307

Steam forums as well as reviews are generally a cesspool of completely misinformed or misguided behavior.

I trust a game review from a homeless alcoholic more than I trust Steam.

Half the negative reviews are in the category of "Couldn't skip tutorial so I quit the game. Sucks. Avoid! Pls rate my review!"

However, glad to see the developers are alert enough and on the ball to address damaging reviews like the one that led to this thread in the first place.

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Bach    1,274
On April 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM, AngryPanCake said:

If you guys have noticed that most of the negative "game reviews" are not reviewing the actual game, but mainly complaints against the dev team.

A critical mind would go past, or at least not give those reviews a significant weight, unfortunately, many people do not use critical thinking and just seeing "mostly negative" reviews is enough for them to steer away from purchasing the game.

The other thing I noticed is, most negative reviews got over 50% "helpful" and most positive ones got less. There is definitely a core of extremely unhappy people on steam that are bent on discrediting NA no mater what good features are added.

It's quite disheartening!

PS: there is a recent review from a player Trim, who wrote a positive review there, please read it and make sure you give it a thumb up if you agree with it. Or any of the positive reviews for that matter.

 

The true irony is that most of them are actually complaining not because of the game itself but because they got banned in the forums or the game chats or the game itself for bad behavior they knew was bad while they were doing it.  Most just feel there is some rule set or court of law concept protecting their God given right to be an asshat to everyone else if they are upset about something. Some found a loophole in the game mechanics they could "innocently" exploit before getting caught.  I review as much of this stuff as possible to try to understand it. It is becoming a gaming community sociological pattern. An unbounded environment with low responsibility to consequences of actions sort of concept. Is it really possible the Devs are trying to destroy their own Game? Turns out not to be the case. The general case starts out as a complaint and then escalates usually with the player pushing the escalation.  Eventually they post dead animals or do other obvious violations of reasonable public conduct either in anger or purposely to provoke the devs into action.  Then they complain about that action as the cycle continues.  They hop onto our TS and other comms to plead their cases against the devs and inevitably to get everyone and their Alts to sign onto their negative forum post and reviews. In the past I typically just ignore this dance of self inflicted victimization and psycological warfare against what is really just a game.  Starting this year I'm not.  I'll post against this childish crap. I'll answer attack reviews with the flat truth. Call them as I see them.

If the devs truly piss you off the real answer is simple. Just quit playing their game.  Otherwise, suck it up buttercup and play on. But please just stop all that whiny forum tantrum crap.  For the good natured gamers reading this, it's become obvious any games moderators can't effectively curb bad behavior. It equalizes at whatever level the participating gaming community demonstrates it is willing to accept.  If you want it changed only you can effect that change by letting others know where the limits of what you will accept are set at.

 

For me, you can complain about the devs or criticize the game in the forums all you want and I will support you. But as soon as you start using inflammatory posts designed to publicly provoke, offend or harass others then that support is gone. If you post false negative reviews against the game, that we're all still trying to play, in an attempt to damage it out of spite then that support is gone.  

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To the Devs,

In the past I have had some frustrations with you.  But, in hindsight, I found that the changes you made to the game are going very good.  Makes the game play better.  Enjoying it better then before.  As to the past postings.  Like my father always said, "Consider the source."  All in all you are going in the right direction.  Thanks for listening.

Remember!  Don't Panic, have a homebrew.

CD

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On 4/21/2017 at 1:41 AM, Cptn Dahlgren said:

To the Devs,

In the past I have had some frustrations with you.  But, in hindsight, I found that the changes you made to the game are going very good.  Makes the game play better.  Enjoying it better then before.  As to the past postings.  Like my father always said, "Consider the source."  All in all you are going in the right direction.  Thanks for listening.

Remember!  Don't Panic, have a homebrew.

CD


Previously the devs introduced good patches up until they included double charge and double ball. I'm sorry, but every patch since has been 100% garbage. I am more frustrated with the devs now, at this point, than when I first purchased this game.

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Cornelis Tromp    1,456

So this happened. I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that a lot of this is salt and/or people who can't live with the changes that can and will happen in alpha/beta versions of games. 

 

I mean, usercounts are up, servers are doing fine. Action is everywhere, politics are flying about, good moods are afoot. And then more negative reviews?

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SeaHyena    466
42 minutes ago, Cornelis Tromp said:

I mean, usercounts are up, servers are doing fine. Action is everywhere, politics are flying about, good moods are afoot. And then more negative reviews?

I've been reading those reviews as well, and I guess It doesn't shock me. Most people forget this game is still in early access or they don't even know what EA is. They all seem to be upset their stuff was wiped or the game is now too much of a grind. I wish those people who left those reviews would realize that this is still in EA, wipes are to be expected and tweaks will be made until they get it right.  

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And a lot of these people have 1k+ hours on the game and still play it. If it is so bad then why did they play for 1,000+ hours and still keep playing? 

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The latest update brings a lot of fixes but also makes the nature of this game even clearer: Requires 100% investment. Almost like a job :)

Yes, before we had Santissima, Victory, Ocean, you name it, galore. When you see a screening fleet with more than 25 first rates, you know something is broken. And what about the broken economy with people easily hording in 30 million plus gold?

Things are now very different. Only the largest clans will be able to craft 2nd rate up. Ships with 1 dura? Limited trade (available resources, cargo hold, profit), PVP marks etc... make this harder than ever.

My 2 biggest griefs is that the ship crafting has been made accessible only to a few. Well crafting 4th and 3rd rates, not even dreaming of anything higher. And that was a part of the game that I used to enjoy, so RIP. 

And mostly port battles have become useless. It's now a RvR thing where due to broken mechanics with conquest marks (CM), port battles are done without any attacker so that the defending nation can get their 25 CM. This is sad because PBs where one of the most enjoyable parts of naval action.

Boats are gorgeous, the battle mechanics awesome but the rest of the game is far, very far, from being polished.

And sorry if I'm offending NA lovers but this is my personal opinion.

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rediii    3,063
5 hours ago, la Touche-Treville said:

Things are now very different. Only the largest clans will be able to craft 2nd rate up. Ships with 1 dura? Limited trade (available resources, cargo hold, profit), PVP marks etc... make this harder than ever.

I built my first 1st rate by my own now. Work smart, not hard. :D 

5 hours ago, la Touche-Treville said:

My 2 biggest griefs is that the ship crafting has been made accessible only to a few. Well crafting 4th and 3rd rates, not even dreaming of anything higher. And that was a part of the game that I used to enjoy, so RIP. 

And mostly port battles have become useless. It's now a RvR thing where due to broken mechanics with conquest marks (CM), port battles are done without any attacker so that the defending nation can get their 25 CM. This is sad because PBs where one of the most enjoyable parts of naval action.

I think you will see both only the first time until conquest marks are more available and as long as nations don't do total wars. After this CM will be likely to be sold in the market.

Same with these shit arranged portbattles. You will see them once to set the CM production up. After that it will explode somewhere in NA and a war will break loose.

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Mordac    1

All the posts here seem to say that this is some giant conspiracy against the game, launched by but hurt individuals who want to sink the game due to personall grudges.  And honestly in some cases it's certainly true.

However in most cases that is no longer true.  The game is very hard for a new player to get into and established.  I know some players say "work smart not hard" etc and similar things like this, but that is nonsense.  How can you work smart when you can't even experiance allot of the game mechanics.  Oh yes I certainly can work smart and buy an alt or 2 also, but why the hell should I be forced to?  Also with so many alts sailing about, how does that actually reflect on the TRUE online player count?  About a third of the players online is in fact just Alt's.

As for the grind... whell hot damn, I've always wanted to sign my life away on a grind, oh wait not really.  The point here (Sarcasm aside), is that currently the game has been developed into meatgrinder for new players, and if a GAME is not fun people won't PLAY.  And if and when they tell the DEVS why the game is not fun, and then get their comments deleted, told that they are just but hurt or outright banned, well then flame wars start.

All I am saying here, and for the love of all things ocian going, is listen and fix it so that the game we all would love to have succeed does not die.  And it really is dying folks.

Now I am fully aware this comment will most likely get deleted or flamed up to high heck.  Well that's fine.  Go ahead.  Because I am done trying to plug the holes in this leaky boat.  If the captain does not care/want to hear that he has sprung a leak, well then I'll just quietly row myself away.

After this post I will basically just log back in every now and again, see how the game is doing, check for improvement and generally keep my trap shut.  Commit suicide if you must, but stop blaming steam reviews for your death when you are bussy poisoning your own water.

Fair sailing and Poseidon be with us all.

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DrZoidberg    92

In my opinion the statements of that review just all right. I dont want to prove my right, if developers dont want to see it, never will. The game core is superior, but there are shitload issues, what make the players leave it, and developers just dont (want to) see them. The changes just always went to the direction developers wanted, not the players wanted. I foresee it like 1 or 1 and half year before with this behavior the normal players will leave, and mostly the players without real life and the players who are really in love with the core will stay, so there will stay only some players with the devs will congratulate each other, how great game they made, and right after that it will be closed because the low player population. The tendency is continuing. Btw all the same what devs say on this forum, the players buy games because of the good steam revews and because if friends call them in. Make a topic about this here is meaningless and childish, as it was mentioned in the review. high percentage of the leavers mentioned the long OS sailing time as a reason to leave. I bet like 5000 player left about it, and now we have player base below 500. Have developers made any vote poll about it? Now they can make, but its too late, normal player all left :(, and never come back.  Now the new tier 4 ship will be overpowerd for money, what will supress senior players and players who justwant to buy the game and dont want to spend more. If developers take care about player wishes,  i expect a vote poll about that ship (about stats at least). Will there be any?

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PIerrick de Badas    1,121

I'm in the Mordac mood. We see alwais the same face on this forum and in game. Most of the vets are staying because they have been frustraded once or multiple time but know the true treasure than can be a fair fight. And we are ready to play 5hours in bad condition to get this magic moments.

The new comers are ganked all the time, theyu don't understand how the games works, they get troll on chat trolling them, they are lost in a middle of a big sea and all they find is people to sunk them. SO they are angry and give bad review. The vets can't give multiple good review so their review are sunk behind all the wall of bad review on new people coming. New conquest will not solve the problem as it's adress to vets only. The idea to create an hardcore game withtout safe area and to spliut pve and pvp is maybe to audascious right now and noobs would like to be able to grind in pve and use their grind in pvp in a second time. Making the new commers suffer like pigs, specially thoses choising hard nation lead them to massiv bad review.

And tbh, as a vet, i'm really disguting on the game. I'm really pist of to be outnumber most of the time. The issue with server population unbalance and the fact that nothing has been made in two years to look on this major problem mayu lead some vets to negativ their review. I'm not but i'm far less positiv as before

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