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  1. Haratik

    Wonderful ship maker

    Some people have trouble comprehending.
  2. Haratik

    Player selected ship 2017 - Suggestions

    This thread is defunct since the poll is over and ships already selected, so why post here?
  3. Haratik

    Happy almost 4th! (With Pictures)

    How many traitor's day's does the UK have?
  4. Haratik

    Happy almost 4th! (With Pictures)

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  5. From what I can find about him, my guess would be no, it is not a ship of his design, rather it is a plan drawn up of an existing Portuguese ship of the line at his insistence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Portuguese_Navy#1807_Fleet indicates (with a noted source): These ships, in general, were said to be in good repair; and as to construction, equal, if not superior to the British. So a further guess would be that he had orders to draw up plans of existing Portuguese warships to take back to the Admiralty to be studied. With the level of good relations between the Portuguese monarchy and that of the British, I would assume he had little difficulty in executing this.
  6. I'm still trying to find out more detail about the plan. The date 1811 is clearly marked, as is a name toward the bottom of the upper right corner paragraph: Lord Berkeley. There's not much I can dig up on any Lord Berkeley that existed during the supposed date on the plan. Of those with the title that existed, only one I can discover that served in the Royal Navy before and after the date, and he became a Sea Lord years later. I'm afraid it's not much to go on right now, but there's clues to be explored. Edit: I am mistaken, further research has revealed the service of a Sir George Cranfield Berkeley in the Royal Navy during this period, who happened to be stationed in Portugal during the years preceding the date marked on the plan up until the following year. Wikipedia notes this: Berkeley continued building his political status during the Peace of Amiens and by Berkeley had been appointed inspector of sea fencibles, a job he undertook with vigour, conducting a fourteen-month survey of Britain's coastal defences, which greatly improved the island's defences. In 1806, after a shift in political power, Berkeley fell out of favour somewhat and was dispatched to the North American Station. From there, Berkeley ordered the attack by HMS Leopard on the American frigate USS Chesapeake in retaliation for American recruitment of British deserters. This action, known as the Chesapeake-Leopard Affair, helped precipitate the War of 1812.[2] Having embarrassed the British government with this action, Berkeley was recalled home. However, public opinion supported his orders, so Berkeley was moved to command in Lisbon in the hope he could organise the chaotic supply system for Wellington's army in the Peninsula War.[2] Berkeley recognised that only a dedicated and organised convoy system could keep the supply of men, food and material regular and consequently set one up. Simultaneously, he reequipped and galvanised the remnants of the Spanish Navy, rescuing several ships from capture by the French as well as used frigates to supply partisan units all along the coast of Portugal and Northern Spain.[2] By 1810, Wellington could truthfully say of Berkeley that "His activity is unbounded, the whole range of the business of the Country in which he is stationed, civil, military, political, commercial, even ecclesiastical I believe as well as naval are objects of his attention". He was promoted to full admiral and made Lord High Admiral of the Portuguese Navy by the Portuguese Regent in Brazil.[2] By 1810 he had used sailors to man coastal defences all over Spain, freeing soldiers for Wellington and also formed a squadron of river gunboats to harry French units from major rivers like the Tagus. I cannot say for certain whether it is this man who is mentioned on the plan, but his presence in Portugal and his work on the Iberian Peninsula could only promote my opinion that this is the "Berkeley" mentioned on the plan for this unknown Portuguese warship. Further evidence (and close to home for me, I may have a look sometime if I can): https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/taro/ricewrc/00005/rice-00005.html
  7. Principe Real is listed at roughly 200' in length Principe do Brazil is listed at roughly 187' in length (per this site: http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/915356/HMFMS Principe do Brasil, though here she is listed as a 74 and not an 80+ gunner, perhaps she was rebuilt?). She is also listed at roughly 191' in length (per this site: http://marinhadeguerraportuguesa.blogspot.com/2013/04/navios-da-real-marinha-de-guerra.html, which also mentions her as being an 80 gunner from the year 1802 til 1822). Vasco da Gama is listed at 179' in length (per this site: http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/915367/HMFMS Vasco da Gama (1793)) She's not the Medusa, as the Medusa is mentioned as a 74 with the potential to carry 80, but her length is a good 10' less than the lower number of 182'. However Queen of Portugal is a 74 with the potential to carry 80, and her length is roughly 187' (http://marinhadeguerraportuguesa.blogspot.com/2013/04/navios-da-real-marinha-de-guerra.html). Any other info would be welcome.
  8. Where'd you find her @Wind http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81037.html lists her as a Portuguese third rate, date unknown but plan seems to have been made roughly 1811. She appears to have been pierced for 76 guns, if I counted the gunports correctly. Checking elsewhere now. Edit: I miscounted, not counting the uppermost slots for carronades, she favors the Vasco da Gama, but aside from her, the only other heavy rates the Portuguese had at this time are the Principe Real and the Principe do Brazil, both listed in excess of 84 guns.
  9. Haratik

    Ocean is still to Tanky

    I said about as much in another thread, but some people here refuse to do the research themselves and stubbornly declare a pox on the truth no matter how it's presented.
  10. Haratik

    Player Ship Selection Poll 2018?

    I would certainly say I've done more research on the Spanish in the years leading up to Trafalgar than you or most others here, just like Fluffy Fishy has done with the Venetians. Amateur enthusiast for sure, but I won't claim more than that. Now if you're done being a child and wish to actually debate, I'm more than willing to, but if you have no wish to do more than trade insults, I'll be done with this thread and you.
  11. Haratik

    Player Ship Selection Poll 2018?

    My posts? Fine, I can see why you think they're arrogant, probably because I did the research and came to the conclusions I have. Please, do tell, how much research have you done? I'm not going to measure myself against you, there's no point, it's no contest. I applaud your nationalistic fervor, but you could use a dose of humility and a spoonful of reason.
  12. Haratik

    Player Ship Selection Poll 2018?

    Independent ship crews depended on their captains for training, see the Redoubtable at Trafalgar while the rest of the French fleet was for the most part incapable of heavy action in ship to ship action. This had little effect on the Navy's outlook as a whole. Please don't use "no u" as a rejoinder, it just makes you look as insignificant as your posts.
  13. Haratik

    Player Ship Selection Poll 2018?

    I never said Spanish ships were of poor design, but the crews, while good at seamanship, were poor at gunnery (essential in naval warfare), and typically lacked the stomach to fight, usually because their naval commanders knew the aforementioned fact. I've covered the topic before, you should go look for the posts.
  14. Haratik

    Player Ship Selection Poll 2018?

    Again your ignorance on the topic is confounding. The British would have been even more hard pressed on the waves if the Portuguese court had not offered their ships to assist the British in the war against Napoleon. Were they the sea power they were 200 years ago? No, but they were a presence in the Mediterranean regardless, as well as the Atlantic, even in the Channel. You don't have to have a famous battle under your wing (Trafalgar, etc) to be important to a cause. Every bit counts, every ship counts, and unlike the Spanish, the Portuguese had well trained crews with well designed and maintained ships, no doubt a British influence.
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