Barberouge Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 The ships have been proposed in Player ship selection 1st Half 2016. Spanish, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Portuguese, German built ships were encouraged. The time line was 1670-1825 acceptable, 1730-1790 preferred. 10 ships have been selected from their popularity, and 5 more selected to bring more choice. 2 ships will be selected by players votes (1 vote per player). Also 1 ship will be chosen by a developers wild card. You can check the previous player selections here: Player selected ship 2014 / Player-selected ships 2015 What ship would you enjoy to sail ? Mars (1781, Dutch 18-gun brig)Mars was built at Amsterdam to prey on British shipping during the Fourth Anglo-Dutch War. During her first campaign, she was captured by the frigate HMS Artois off the Yorkshire coast. Renamed HMS Orestes, she was taken into the Navy and became an effective anti-privateer vessel, capturing several prizes. HMS Orestes served in the West Indies and departed for the East Indies after time spent on the French coast. She is presumed to have been caught in a hurricane in the Indian Ocean. Mars was built with unusually sleek lines and as such she was a very fast vessel. Plans / 3-Decks / Wiki -Unnamed- (1700-1750, Venetian 22-gun corvette)Those plans are part of a collection in the University Library of Padua. The decline of Venice in the 18th century was due to the wars against the Turks and to the influence of Genoa, Venice's old rival, and of other trade ports such as the Tuscan Livorno, chosen as staging-post for British trade in the Mediterranean, Ancona and the Habsburg Trieste, a free port since 1719. The presence of pirates from the coast of Maghreb worsened the situation. Those corvettes were a solution to deal with the agile and light boats of the pirates that threatened the security of the trade. Pictures Descubierta (1789, Spanish 16-gun corvette)The Descubierta and Atrevida were twin corvettes of the Spanish Navy, custom-designed as identical special exploration and scientific research vessels. Both ships were built at the same time for the Malaspina Expedition, a five-year maritime scientific exploration. The two vessels sailed from Spain to the Pacific Ocean, conducting a thorough examination of the internal politics of the American Spanish Empire and the Philippines. The military version of the Descubierta carried 26 guns. Pictures / 3-Decks / Wiki Christiansborg (1758, Dano-Norwegian 24-gun frigate)The Christiansborg was designed by Michael Krabbe, launched in 1758 as a 12-pounder frigate, broken up in 1786. Krabbe submitted this plan after returning from the obligatory European study trip (1752 - 1756, visiting British, French, Italian and Dutch shipyards) and a certain French influence is clearly visible. Pictures / 3-Decks Diana (1792, Spanish 32-gun frigate)Diana was one of the six Mahonesas-class 12-pounder frigates built at the Mahón shipyard in Minorca. Her designer Julián Martín de Retamosa, Ingeniero General of the Armada, perfected the English and French construction techniques that had influenced the Spanish shipbuilding during the 18th century. Diana participated in the evacuation of the Spanish forces at the Siege of Roses during the French Revolutionary Wars. She was the fastest one of her class and was reputed one of the best frigates built by the Spanish Royal Navy. Pictures / 3-Decks Freja (1793, Danish 40-gun frigate)Freja was built at Copenhagen, designed as a 18-pounder frigate but carrying 24-pounders throughout her career. Escorting a convoy off Ostend, she was captured in 1800 by a Royal Navy squadron for opposing the British-claimed right of search, suspected of carrying stores to be used by the French. The negotiations resulted in the British agreeing to return the Freja, but this incident ultimately led in the next year to the British attacking Copenhagen. She was captured by the Royal Navy at the Second Battle of Copenhagen. Sent to the Leeward Islands, she participated in the destruction of Roquebert's resupply expedition during the blockade of Guadeloupe. Plans / 3-Decks Venus (1783, Swedish 40-gun frigate)Venus was built following the Bellona design by Fredrik Chapman, the first frigates to carry 24-pounder guns. She was captured by the Russians in 1789. She retained the same name in Imperial Russian service and participated in the battle of Reval and in the battle of Vyborg Bay. She was sold to the Kingdom of Naples in 1807 to avoid capture by the British. Venus and her sister ships sailed exceptionally well, doing 13-14 knots with a good wind. Pictures / 3-Decks / Wiki Princesa Real (1819, Portuguese 50-gun frigate)Princesa Real was a large frigate built at the Lisbon shipyard. Her spacious and sheltered natural harbor at the mouth of the Tage had helped Lisbon to become the center of the first global empire. Princesa Real participated in the Battle of Cape St Vincent during the Portuguese Civil War, where a naval squadron commanded by the British officer Charles Napier, on behalf of the Emperor of Brasil, defeated the navy of the proclaimed King of Portugal. Princesa Real was built for the open sea and probably carried 24-pounders. Pictures / 3-Decks Dordrecht (1739, Dutch 54-gun ship)The Dordrecht was a 4th rate ship of the line built at the Rotterdam shipyard by Jacob Spaans. It was named after the Dutch city of Dordrecht, a major trade port well known to British merchants. The Dordrecht was almost the length of a frigate but heavier, carrying 2 full decks of guns. Pictures / 3-Decks Wasa (1778, Swedish 60-gun ship)Wasa was built at the Karlskrona shipyard after Fredrik Chapman's innovative drawing. She was powerful enough to withstand line fighting and shallow enough to support coastal operations in the Baltic Sea. Wasa fought at the Battle of Hogland during the Russo-Swedish War of 1788, was sold to the Swedish East India Company for a trip to China, and bought back by the Swedish Navy. The Wasa class comprised 10 ships-of-the-line based on her design. Pictures / 3-Decks / Swedish Wiki Wenden (1706, Dano-Norwegian 70-gun ship)The Wenden was built by Olaus Judichær at the Holmen naval base. Founded in the late 17th century, the base has played a vital role in the history of Denmark as well as Copenhagen. For over 300 years, Holmen was the largest employer of the country. Aside from being one of Denmark’s largest battleships of her day, Wenden was also beautiful as attested by Judichær’s colored design plans of her stern galleries. Pictures / 3-Decks Prinds Christian Frederik (1804, Dano-Norwegian 66-gun ship)The Prinds Christian Frederik was built at the Nyholm shipyard in Copenhagen. Named after the Crown Prince, she was the only Dano-Norwegian ship of the line which survived the Second Battle of Copenhagen, but it was lost at the Battle of Zealand Point in 1808. The Danish naval hero Peter Willemoes was killed onboard Prinds Christian Frederik when he took a cannonball to the head. Pictures / 3-Decks / Danish Wiki Vrijheid (1783, Dutch 74-gun ship)Vrijheid, "Freedom" was commissioned by the Admiralty of Amsterdam. She fought as flagship of the admiraal Jan de Winter at the Battle of Camperdown, the major engagement of the Dutch naval forces in the 18th century. During the battle Vrijheid was engaged by four British ships, and after heavy fighting only the Dutch flagship remained in combat. For an hour she continued her resistance, and when all three masts had been brought down De Winter was the only officer who remained uninjured, standing on his wrecked quarterdeck and still refusing to lower his colours. When British sailors boarded the drifting flagship, Vrijheid had lost almost half of her crew. Pictures / 3-Decks / Wiki Admiraal de Ruyter (1808, Dutch 80-gun ship)De Ruyter was named after Michiel de Ruyter, the famous Dutch admiral who had fought the English and the French during the Anglo-Dutch Wars in the 17th century. He had scored several major victories against them, the best known probably being the Raid on the Medway, one of the worst defeats in the Royal Navy's history. The hull form of the Admiraal de Ruyter is the usual Dutch type, shallow draught, flat bottom, square profile necessary for operations in Dutch shallow waters. Pictures / 3-Decks / Dutch Wiki Christian VII (1767, Dano-Norwegian 90-gun ship)Christian VII was one of the largest ships commissioned by the Dano-Norwegian Navy, and the last beautifully decorated King's Yacht. She was a prestigious symbol of the crown at sea and was to be used as flagship in the Dano-Norwegian fleet. Converted to a 2-decker coastal defense ship, she fought at the First Battle of Copenhagen which is often considered to be Nelson's hardest-fought battle. Pictures / 3-Decks / Norwegian Wiki 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) This thread has been up for more than two weeks? O_o Vote, captains! (totally happy to see that two of my proposals made it into the final selection, by the way ) Edited February 5, 2016 by Malachi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Given the bigger concentration of player ranks will fall into the frigate classes, from the corvette to the heavy frigates, I voted for one more frigate model to add to the choices and variety. Thanks for including the NRP Princesa Real. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Vote for fourth rates! Vote post-1750! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Roberts Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Wish people would vote for the larger ships, we have an okay amount of smaller ships but are really lacking frigates and above and it's seriously disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyShelby Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 This thread has been up for more than two weeks? O_o Vote, captains! (totally happy to see that two of my proposals made it into the final selection, by the way ) OMG i didn't even see it! And so many Danish ships Thank you all for making this possible, like, thank you community! Edit; BUT WHAT, i only have 1 vote? Pleeease give me more votes Admin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Why are there ships posted to vote without plans? (I don't mean not in this thread, but I think there is at least one that doesn't have plans available. Users completely ignored this requirement during the suggestion phase.) What happens if a ship without plans wins player vote? Do we get poor-quality guesswork model? edit: nevermind, plans are not online, but are at Greenwich. I suppose devs can afford those now that they sitting on huge pile of EA gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Detailed plans for all the danish ships exist; the Wasa also is very well documented. And there´s at least one body and profile plan for Diana. Don´t know about the dutch ships, though. And my heart-felt sympathy for the NA modelers if Wenden and/or the venetian ship win, working with these plans is going to be a royal PITA. Edited February 5, 2016 by Malachi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyShelby Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Why are there ships posted to vote without plans? (I don't mean not in this thread, but I think there is at least one that doesn't have plans available at all. Users completely ignored this requirement during the suggestion phase.) What happens if a ship without plans wins player vote? Do we get poor-quality guesswork model? Which of the above ships doesn't have plans? (Community can start researching if some of them don't). In the past i believe Game-Labs along with the community will do their best to come find the plans in case what has been provided so far isn't enough for a good model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barberouge Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 This thread has been up for more than two weeks? O_o The thread was put in the shipyard today. Why are there ships posted to vote without plans? (I don't mean not in this thread, but I think there is at least one that doesn't have plans available at all. Users completely ignored this requirement during the suggestion phase.) What happens if a ship without plans wins player vote? Do we get poor-quality guesswork model? The link or research of plans wasn't a requirement, but of course it makes the research/design faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Another question: Malachi is working on a Swedish Bellona-class model with apparent competence: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/8505-swedish-bellona-class-frigate-wip/ Are votes for Bellona for integration of his model, or redundant assuming this model has a chance of being included? I also wish we had confirmation whether or not a 4th rate SoL (other than 4th/3rd rate Ingermanland) is already in the works. I want to vote for beautiful Diana, but the 4th rate gap desperately needs filling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Vote for the Dordrecht people! just look at that beauty! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandonchat Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 De Ruyter for life!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreWesley Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Vrijheid!!! (Freedom!!!) (I think the Dutch are divided over which ship...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Vrijheid!!! (Freedom!!!) (I think the Dutch are divided over which ship...) you americans and your freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumisz Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Dordrecht <3 The absence of the (pretty common) ~50 gun 4th rate (?) ships of the era is rather obvious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://www.playclicks.com/playforos/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48000.0;attach=624701;image What's the source on this? The upper yard dimensions look sort of dubious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barberouge Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 Another question: Malachi is working on a Swedish Bellona-class model with apparent competence: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/8505-swedish-bellona-class-frigate-wip/ Are votes for Bellona for integration of his model, or redundant assuming this model has a chance of being included? Ships that are modelled in the shipyard aren't automatically added to the game. But all good ships should make it to the game sooner or later. The top 2 ships of the votes and the wildcard are garanteed to get in though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten van de Voerde Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Really tough choice indeed, but Admiraal De Ruyter it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Wow, my Vrijiheid made it in! But the choice between her, Prinds Christian Frederik, and Christian VII... Also, why are people voting for Admiraal de Ruyter? I mean, she's not a bad ship, but just remember that we've got one 80-gunner in game (Pavel) and another one in development (Bucentaure). It seems kinda unnecessary, in my humble opinion, for a third one to be added at this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Wow, my Vrijiheid made it in! But the choice between her, Prinds Christian Frederik, and Christian VII... Also, why are people voting for Admiraal de Ruyter? I mean, she's not a bad ship, but just remember that we've got one 80-gunner in game (Pavel) and another one in development (Bucentaure). It seems kinda unnecessary, in my humble opinion, for a third one to be added at this time. The same thing can be said about the vrijjheid though, she is another 74 gunner, just like we allready have the bellona and the third rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Nice.How long will this be open for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) The same thing can be said about the vrijjheid though, she is another 74 gunner, just like we allready have the bellona and the third rate. No, I don't think it can. Bellona's been around for ages, and the third rate's just generic, and possibly even just a temporary placeholder. So, if we ignore the third rate, Bellona's the only 74 we've got, which, IMO, means that we could do with more. As for 80-gunners, however, Pavel was introduced fairly recently, Bucentaure's still in development, and you want yet another one? If you ask me, Admiraal de Ruyter's right up there with that Mars brig (that nobody's voted for, by the way) in the "ships that we don't need right now" category. Edited February 5, 2016 by Arvenski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 No, I don't think it can. Bellona's been around for ages, and the third rate's just generic, and possibly even just a temporary placeholder. So, if we ignore the third rate, Bellona's the only 74 we've got, which, IMO, means that we could do with more. As for 80-gunners, however, Pavel was introduced fairly recently, Bucentaure's still in development, and you want yet another one? The thing though is, the Bellona and the vrijhijd seem similar, just because we havent had a 74 added recently isnt a good excuse imho also, i didnt vote for de ruyter, i want the dordrecht, i want a really nice fourth rate in game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 The thing though is, the Bellona and the vrijhijd seem similar They really do look similar (to my eyes, at least). I'm not going to disagree with you there. That being said, I'm not really campaigning for Vrijiheid so much as against Admiraal de Ruyter. I didn't even vote for Vrijiheid at first, even though she was my proposal. I voted for Prinds Christian Frederik, but since nobody else had done so, I figured that there wasn't a point in wasting a vote on a ship that looked like it wasn't going to be a competitor. And I'm not even trying to argue with people; I'm just trying to point out that to me, it seems like the 80-gun ship category has gotten enough attention for a while, and that maybe we could use other ships more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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