SteelSandwich Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) 12-gun, unknown, 1760 (merchant) 20-gun, Den Arend, 1768 corvet 20-gun, Unknown, 1780 Corvet 26-gun, Dageraat, 1808 32-gun, De Atlas, unknown (merchant) 42-gun, Braave, 1800 46-gun, unknown, 1817 52-gun, unknown, 1815 64-gun, Rotterdam, 1741 72-gun, Stadt en Lande, 1790 80-gun, Chattam, 1799 Edited December 17, 2015 by SteelSandwich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 List is updated and reorganized: (in order) Merchants brigantines brigs corvets cutters shooners frigates SOL's Captured ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Added: 54-gun, Prinses Frederika Louise Wilhelmina, 1779 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Now that´s a nice ship. And a beautiful plan with a useful resolution. May I ask where you got it from? All the plans from Maritiem Digital are 'just' 3000*x pixels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Alex Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Do you have plans on this ship? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_ship_Delft_(1783)I heard they were going to build a replica in the Netherlands. It's looks amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Now that´s a nice ship. And a beautiful plan with a useful resolution. May I ask where you got it from? All the plans from Maritiem Digital are 'just' 3000*x pixels? Provincial archives, the quality of the plans there are simply amazing.Quantity is rather low, but im slowly getting into the search^^ Do you have plans on this ship? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_ship_Delft_(1783)I heard they were going to build a replica in the Netherlands. It's looks amazing. I don't, unfortunaly. Yet the building of the replica has been in progress for quite some time now, you can always try to contact them for a copy of the plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 You guys are so lucky to have so easy access to plans!I'm jealous! Too bad most of the ships here built by experience and not any plans.Finding even a drawing or painting is a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynd Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I think we definitely need the addition of a common Dutch pinas, a larger dedicated trade ship is much needed. Here is a list of them. Below some models made in blender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) While cool dynd, i think those ships might be a little too old for this game Edited January 2, 2016 by OlavDeng2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Olav raises a fair point. Whilst some of the ships have been been towards the end of the 17th century, it's design mostly died at the beginning of the 18th. This also goes for the Fluit. However, there are quite some nice plans/ drawings: Lovely ships, for sure! Edited January 2, 2016 by SteelSandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Up to the devs to decide, isn't it ? Current time frame is... etc. (you know the following words ) Besides, is design/building date that important for traders when it comes to so lovely design ? I love those ships !!! They can even give them a small speed buff in OW. I wouldn't snitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Don't get me wrong, i would love to have these ingame. I personally dont care if they would be slower/weak/less maneuverable or all of the above, since i would purely sail them for their asthetics. But (yes, here it comes) with the rejection of the 'Zeven Provincien' (1664-1694) i doubt that they are willing to accept earlier ships, even if its just by 6 years from the prefered timeframe. As that ships is one of the most iconic dutch ones to have sailed the seas, and rejected, im afraid we wont see beauty of this kind in this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 We might see obsolete ships as Premium or crowdfunded options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Anyone read this document? http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/pdf/NL-HaNA_4.MST.ead.pdf There are a lot of Dutch ships in this document, you can use the numbers from the ships to search the database of the "Nationaal Archief". Here is a list for example http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A0.c03%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.#c01:0.c02:0. If you want me to post individual ships just let me know, because this is quite overwhelming. Ps. Also it is all in Dutch... Edited January 17, 2016 by Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 Good find. If you look closely into the list you can see the relevant ships have already been posted. Quite a lot of ships in that archieve are too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Botanicus Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Anyone read this document? http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/pdf/NL-HaNA_4.MST.ead.pdf There are a lot of Dutch ships in this document, you can use the numbers from the ships to search the database of the "Nationaal Archief". Here is a list for example http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A0.c03%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:0.c03:0.#c01:0.c02:0. If you want me to post individual ships just let me know, because this is quite overwhelming. Ps. Also it is all in Dutch... Great find. Don't have this bookmark yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Botanicus Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) This may be in the wrong thread but are fire ships going to be added in the game as well? These terror ships have been used all through the age of sail. In the Anglo-Dutch wars many were used and both van der Velde Jr. and Sr. painted these ships. Presently I am reading a book "Fireship - The Terror Weapon of the Age of Sail". By Peter Kirsh. I can definitely get the names of the British and the Dutch. David Antscherl's book 'The Royal Navy Fireship COMET of 1783 is a monograph with 6 sheets of plans. http://www.seawatchbooks.com/114002 Marcus Edited January 20, 2016 by Marcus Botanicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Fireships are under debate and consideration. Thing with fireships is that they have massive damage potential, which makes them prone to being OP and meta breaking. So, if you have some proper implementation suggestions, they are always welcome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Fireships are under debate and consideration. Thing with fireships is that they have massive damage potential, which makes them prone to being OP and meta breaking. So, if you have some proper implementation suggestions, they are always welcome Or conversely, they are useless if you implement them realistically. Because the crew has to abandon ship a few hundred yards out, and in-game fleets have no reason to sit around at anchor. If we get complex ports with inferior fleets camping in the PBs, then fire ships will be essential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Or conversely, they are useless if you implement them realistically. Because the crew has to abandon ship a few hundred yards out, and in-game fleets have no reason to sit around at anchor. If we get complex ports with inferior fleets camping in the PBs, then fire ships will be essential. Most definitely true. If you look at the amount of fireships in ratio to the effective damage they caused, weren't that effective. Yet used to break formation or forcing opponents to maneuver can be an interesting play. They would, as you say, be an interesting addition to port battles. Attack fleets would consist of SOL(the fighting), frigs(flanking&protection mortars and troop transport), mortars(attacking forts), *troop transport*(assaulting forts), armed indiamen(carrying raided resources), fireships(break defense position). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comandant Almogaver Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 90 Gunners? mother of god 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerrialKiller Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Warships - Ships of the line 44-gun, Beschermer, 1735, SOL Links:http://i.imgur.com/kmw97tI.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 88 46-gun, Monnikendam, 1782, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/NZLc8mb.jpg 46-gun, unknown, 1760, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/23fRpY6.jpg 46-gun, Waterland, 1746, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/2Bcnh9u.jpg 50-gun, Hilverbeek, 1729, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/JesJ4vh.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 10850-gun, Leiderdorp, 1731, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/K80ZncC.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 12350-gun, Westerdijkshorn, 1728, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/qX5wzbY.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 172 52-gun, Brederode, 1731, SOL Links:http://i.imgur.com/ryNH8j3.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/8nEMdNV.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 89 52-gun, Boekenroode, 1733, SOL Links:http://i.imgur.com/qMHo0Nc.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/n45rGWQ.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 18-19 54-gun, Prinses Frederika Louisa Wilhelmina, 1779, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/BD8veqw.jpg 56-gun, Beschermer, 1783, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/I80KmBO.jpg 56-gun, Leewenhorst & Edam, 1742, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/O5dpNgS.png 56-gun, Twickel, 1726 (missing hull-lines, retrievable from similar ships), SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/9ztitq6.jpg 58-gun, Dortrecht, 1739, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg 58-gun, Schiedam, 1745, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/bGZWaG7.jpg 62-gun, Provincie van Utrecht, 1729, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/bBKs1Dw.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 56 64-gun, Rotterdam, 1741, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/26sXqh6.png 64-gun, unknown, 1760, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/f4Vl4pd.jpg 68-gun, Admiraal Tromp, 1806, SOL Links:http://i.imgur.com/B4fuVRR.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/FQrBw2k.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 16 Also known as: 'Kortenaer'68-gun, Cortenaar, 1795, SOL Links:http://i.imgur.com/3NYEPfM.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/03prVfM.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 20 68-gun, Doggersbank, 1798, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/mWOPecg.png http://i.imgur.com/aSyn0um.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 21 68-gun, Neptunus, 1798, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/T1TbrWQ.jpg 68-gun, Oldenbarnevelt, 1796, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/fJxHt1E.png http://i.imgur.com/moLRvNi.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 44 68-gun, Pieter Paulus, 1797, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/kxIhwra.png http://i.imgur.com/um92Rd3.png 68-gun, Pluto, 1798, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/H0YJMq1.jpg 68-gun, unknown, 1807, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/Y5UQbUI.jpg 72-gun, Stadt en Lande, 1790, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/FP0Wsdu.jpg 74-gun, Haarlem, 1736, SOL Links:http://i.imgur.com/SuvIFIB.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/YWMMBDy.pngSource:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 22 76-gun, Prins Maurits, 1783, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/6z5rTYT.png http://i.imgur.com/Mi1c8bh.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 45 76-gun, Washington, 1795, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/g4Hmoai.png http://i.imgur.com/eA9nmEt.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 59 78-gun, De Maas, 1728 (missing hull-lines, retrievable from similar ships), SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/0h2VO7Y.jpg 80-gun, Chattam, 1799, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/Cj059jS.png 80-gun, De Leeuw, 1804, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/kkEwHR0.jpg 80-gun, Wreker, 1797, SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/IteOKh6.png http://i.imgur.com/zHu4L8F.png Source:NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 33 82-gun, unknown, 1800, SOL Link:http://i.imgur.com/HW3UzKi.jpg 90-gun, Admiraal de Ruyter, 1808 SOL Link: http://i.imgur.com/2jffHC5.png http://i.imgur.com/t6sEsv1.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 13-14 Nice blueprints mate specially the ones arround the 1800s i like it Edited January 24, 2016 by BungeeLemming plz put such stuff into spoilers, this is unnesesary spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramtheDutch Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Nice work steel, one qeustion though, could you take a look at my favorite ship, I don't have buildplans for it but, I am pretty sure the dutch scheepvaartmuseum (Naval Museum) has. Its the: Aemilia, a Dutch 57-gun ship of the line build in 1632. She was under personal command of Admiraal Maarten Tromp in the battle of Downs. I hope this ship is not to old for the game . She has pretty good armament for her age: 57 guns: Gundeck: 4 × 36-pounders, 11 × 24-pounders, 9 × 18-pounders Upper gundeck: 3 × 18-pounders, 21 × 12-pounders Quarterdeck, Forecastle & Poop deck: 9 × 6-pounders The additional info can be found on her wikipage. Cheers, Bram Luijken. (P.S. look at my profile picture for a good painting of it.) Edited January 26, 2016 by bramluijken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 1632? Extremely unlikey that there are plans for her. Earliest (usable) ship plans are from the 1680s or 1690s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramtheDutch Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 1632? Extremely unlikey that there are plans for her. Earliest (usable) ship plans are from the 1680s or 1690s. I have seen more ship plans from the late 80-year war ships, I know that our museums have them stored somewhere from when I was there a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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