Jay Gatsby Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Beautiful ship! Please let add it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_ship_De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn_(1665) Replica under construction The first 80 guns in the world! Edited April 6, 2015 by Captain Jack Aubrey 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Thank you! Will add it to the list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Gatsby Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 Thank you! Will add it to the list. Glad to hear that! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Freedom Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) So pretty These are the Galleys from Empire Total War xD Edited April 6, 2015 by Jack Freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharprunner Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well that is grand thanks !!! hora for Holland !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Who doesnt want this? its a beauty to behold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Would be a great addition, especially since it is Dutch and isn't yet another 1st Rate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Would be a great addition, especially since it is Dutch and isn't yet another 1st Rate. It has 80 guns and is most likely a 2nd rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 It has 80 guns and is most likely a 2nd rate. Yeah exactly. 2nd rate is fine, but we already have too many 1st rates and so, so many people keep wanting to push even more 1st rates into a game where they should be about as common as a Titian is in EVE Online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Gatsby Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) It has 80 guns and is most likely a 2nd rate. This ship is a third rate, and not a second rate. The thirds rates are from 64 to 80 guns, while the second rates are from more than 80 to 98 guns. Edited April 8, 2015 by Captain Jack Aubrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 This ship is a third rate, and not a second rate. The thirds rates are from 64 to 80 guns, while the second rates are from more than 80 to 98 guns. .. And then there are different specifications for 1st/2nd and 3rd rates during the period wich Naval Action occupies. When the 7Provincien was launched she was a 2nd rate. Thus Wind is correct. If you see her 100 year later she would be a 3rd rate. Despite the fact that noone would want to fight such an old ship. In the end both of you are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 This ship is a third rate, and not a second rate. The thirds rates are from 64 to 80 guns, while the second rates are from more than 80 to 98 guns. Facts https://books.google.com/books?id=MuCZBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=De+Zeven+Provinci%C3%ABn%22+1665+crew&source=bl&ots=zodWNnXplI&sig=-QQhPJCxjs0w-as99N1Bo91Olbw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jTYlVa-iCdfLsASHyYCoCQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=De%20Zeven%20Provinci%C3%ABn%22%201665%20crew&f=false It's not always about guns, find out crew number as it count will make it a second rate. In this case you are correct it had 566 crew members and it makes it a 3rd, but some sources point on 743+ crew. If it did have 743 then it will become 2nd rate. Example: >>>Dutch 80 Gun Ship of 1665, ZEVEN PROVINCIEN - Dutch ... 30 x 42 pdr 30 x 24 pdr 20 x 12 pdr (Also carried 20 smaller guns) Crew 743. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Facts https://books.google.com/books?id=MuCZBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=De+Zeven+Provinci%C3%ABn%22+1665+crew&source=bl&ots=zodWNnXplI&sig=-QQhPJCxjs0w-as99N1Bo91Olbw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jTYlVa-iCdfLsASHyYCoCQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=De%20Zeven%20Provinci%C3%ABn%22%201665%20crew&f=false It's not always about guns, find out crew number as it count will make it a second rate. In this case you are correct it had 566 crew members and it makes it a 3rd, but some sources point on 743+ crew. If it did have 743 then it will become 2nd rate. Example: >>>Dutch 80 Gun Ship of 1665, ZEVEN PROVINCIEN - Dutch ... 30 x 42 pdr 30 x 24 pdr 20 x 12 pdr (Also carried 20 smaller guns) Crew 743. Does it really matter if it is a 2nd or 3rd rate. She is a fine looking ship, not another 1st rate and Dutch. I would sail her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Replica under construction The first 80 guns in the world! There is a reconstruction in France of a vessel of 84-gun.But it is not really over ... http://www.tourville.asso.fr/en/ Edited April 8, 2015 by Surcouf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 There is a reconstruction in France of a vessel of 84-gun. But it is not really over ... http://www.tourville.asso.fr/en/ bitch please http://www.welt.de/print/wams/motor/article12524556/Die-Adler-von-Luebeck-wird-nachgebaut.html rebuilding the 120gun "Adler von Lübeck" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah O'Brien Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Replica under construction That's wonderful to see. I'm glad there is still such a large interest in tall ships and the age of sail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 bitch please http://www.welt.de/print/wams/motor/article12524556/Die-Adler-von-Luebeck-wird-nachgebaut.html rebuilding the 120gun "Adler von Lübeck" Awesome!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Gatsby Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Wow amazing ships under construction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wiener_Von_Snitzel Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Really cool ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchurkjeBoefje Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Facts https://books.google.com/books?id=MuCZBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=De+Zeven+Provinci%C3%ABn%22+1665+crew&source=bl&ots=zodWNnXplI&sig=-QQhPJCxjs0w-as99N1Bo91Olbw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jTYlVa-iCdfLsASHyYCoCQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=De%20Zeven%20Provinci%C3%ABn%22%201665%20crew&f=false It's not always about guns, find out crew number as it count will make it a second rate. In this case you are correct it had 566 crew members and it makes it a 3rd, but some sources point on 743+ crew. If it did have 743 then it will become 2nd rate. Example: >>>Dutch 80 Gun Ship of 1665, ZEVEN PROVINCIEN - Dutch ... 30 x 42 pdr 30 x 24 pdr 20 x 12 pdr (Also carried 20 smaller guns) Crew 743. How do you get the 566 crew figure when the book states 415? Though the 415 was 10th december 1665, so possibly that was not its entire fighting complement. Edit: I think the later (1694) Zeven Provinciën would suit the game better, unfortunately there is very little known about her and she didn't have an illustrious career like her predecessor did. The picture of the engraving in the book looks pretty, though. The ship in that seems a little bit straighter, I like that. I'm not a big fan of the old style high afts. There was also a Zeven Provinciën of 74 guns from 1782. That one would be absolutely fantastic to have, but even less is known about that one than about the 1694 version, though it stands to reason she would be quite similar to the 74 gun ship "Vrijheid", also from 1782. The Rijksmuseum has a large model of the Vrijheid so there's more data on that one. Though I've already suggested the 1782 Vrijheid as a good candidate for a later Dutch SoL. Edited April 9, 2015 by SchurkjeBoefje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennosigaios Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hi all, Naval Action caught my attention on Youtube recently and I am absolutely thrilled to see such a detailed game dedicated to the Age of Sail being developed. Being from the Netherlands, of course I'd like to see a lot of Dutch ships in the game . So I checked the list and saw the ominous omission of "De Zeven Provinciën" (the Seven Provinces). It was the Flagship of Michiel de Ruyter, a famous Dutch Admiral. 80-gun ship of the lineGundeck: 12 × 36-pounders, 16 × 24-pounders Upper gundeck: 14 × 18-pounders, 12 × 12-pounders Quarterdeck, Forecastle & Poop deck: 26 × 6-pounders Period 1665 - 1694 Length: 151 ft (c. 46 m) (gundeck) Beam: 40 ft (c. 12 m) Depth of hold: 15 ft (c. 4.7 m) A detailed study of the ship including construction drawings are available at http://www.otteblom.nl/tekeningen/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennosigaios Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Excuse me, I missed this thread (I posted elsewhere originally). But at least, the link to www.otteblom.nl added valuable material about de 7 Provinciën. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Alex Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) The problem with the17-th century ships is that their armament is rather weak compared to the ships from Napoleonic era (as most of the ships in the game are from that era) Compare these stats:http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=806 and http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=1993 Having almost the same number of guns, Tonnant has twice as much broadsight weight. So " 7 Provinciën" will be completely overpowered by the ships of the same rate. It is a problem that needs to be solved as I don't know how ships from 17-th century can compete with more modern ones. Edited April 22, 2015 by Mighty_Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) The problem with the17-th century ships is that their armament is rather weak compared to the ships from Napoleonic era (as most of the ships in the game are from that era) Most of the ships in the pre-alpha game are from Napoleonic era. I don't know whether or not it prefigures the content of the finished product. I don't think so : "Ship line-up: 16th Century to the end of Napoleonic Wars" (http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/11-game-introduction/?p=20) And I personally hope not because I prefer XVII-th century ships because of... their naval sculptures, their aesthetics. It is a problem that needs to be solved as I don't know how ships from 17-th century can compete with more modern ones. It should be easily solved by a "simple" system of ship class/ranks (with the planned instanced battles), shouldn't it ? (e.g. 1st Rate XVIIth-century ships vs 2nd or 3rd Rate XIXth-century ships, if ever XIXth-century ships are really that overpowered (of that I don't know)). Edited April 22, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Added to the list: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4389-list-of-ships-and-plans-presented-so-far/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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