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[PvP Global] Political Situation and Port Battles


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10 minutes ago, Dharus said:

Its the same thing except on a much larger scale.  Something like the entire Gulf.  It also gives you one less front to deal with in the RvR world.  Unlike the La Tortue area which is in the middle of the Caribbean's PvP.

I'm just giving you what it looks like from the Windward Islands point of view.  Two large nations dividing up empty ports, accumulating lots of conquest marks for larger warships, then non-aggression agreements on trade with another.  You're saying that you'll enter talks with Brits if we start cooperating (which honestly, I think the pirates and French have done more OW PVP than you guys have) but we're seeing cooperation from the you guys already.  If we see more help between US, Brit, Dutch then we'll have to assume we'll need friends too. 

France had ample opportunity to sail up to New Orleans and start pushing the gulf, we would not of stopped you.  You chose not to.  For a non-Zerg nation you sure seemed willing to snap up all the ports on your side of the map quickly, including just about all of Sweden.

Currently the US doesn't even have the opportunity to fight anyone other than the Pirate and empty Spanish ports.  We couldn't even fight the Brits and the Dutch if we wanted to.  To get to Brit areas we need to move down towards the fight, which means taking more Spanish ports.  Any thought of the US and Brits fighting each other is simply moot, we physically can't.  Get over it.  

We do have a pretty good idea of what is going on.  Farming alts for marks on a vast scale.  Pirates escorting US alts into PBs.  Until we see the French and the Pirates attack each other's ports, we won't be attacking the British ones.  

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19 minutes ago, Dharus said:

Its the same thing except on a much larger scale.  Something like the entire Gulf.  It also gives you one less front to deal with in the RvR world.  Unlike the La Tortue area which is in the middle of the Caribbean's PvP.

I'm just giving you what it looks like from the Windward Islands point of view.  Two large nations dividing up empty ports, accumulating lots of conquest marks for larger warships, then non-aggression agreements on trade with another.  You're saying that you'll enter talks with Brits if we start cooperating (which honestly, I think the pirates and French have done more OW PVP than you guys have) but we're seeing cooperation from the you guys already.  If we see more help between US, Brit, Dutch then we'll have to assume we'll need friends too. 

Please tell us how we worked together on anything.  We have not sailed to help the British and we have refused any offers to help us.   You are trying to paint us into the one pointing towards this when we ( The US players from PVP1)  have said for months now we do not want to ally and we have done nothing to speak other wise.  So painting us in any other light is not the truth.  

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McMannis your original post is full of lies. French made it clear they will be defending. You still atacked, you declared war on small nation, you are not a victim, they are, you are a bully.

USA made a lot of promises during April meeting, broke most of them already. You are the largest population on server and pick on second smallest nation.

Fact is that GB has better players and your whole nation is scared of real War. You will do whatever it takes to avoid it. You will give GB no exuses to atack. You will blame French, Sweedes, Danes and of course Pirates. You will try to appease GB with anything they want. Why did you even have a Revolution? 

Sad part is this is a game of War. Given prior history The Care Bear Empire will rise again. I hope that GB will surprise me, but not holding my breath. USA already shown their true colors.

 

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7 minutes ago, McMannis said:

I put out a statement.  Not really trolling anyone.  This just shows that Texas is just another toxic forum warrior.  This is why I don't try to talk here.  To say that you have not talked to the French is an outright lie and you know it. You insult everyone here by trying to make us believe that.  Some how you guys are allowed to talk but no one else his because we have carebears? I love the tactic of people making themselves seem better by trying to say they have a lot less people. You just made a statement that it was US Brit and Dutch up there,  why would you make statements without any research at all. This again brings your honesty in to question.  We were offered help at NO and we told them know.  We will not be the first nation to group with another nation.  As far as the steamroll you did see they had a 3rd rate and a Santi in there?  So you are here trying to make it look like the poor little French up against 3 nations and really you are just trying to lie for support.  We fought a fair fight with the French. While they had less numbers they had a Santi and a 3rd rate.  

So as far as whole told us they would not show up.  It was Solas, his French name.  I am sure you know him by his name in Black. 

I will believe that you are screening just for the pvp when you attack everyone.  If you only attack one side you are now allies and will be viewed as such.  It does not really matter you cant really have an honest talk without attacking people.  

And when exactly did we say we haven't talked. I thought I was very clear above that we did, by telling them we are taking Cap Frances but have no plans to take anything else.....AT THIS TIME.  See your putting words out there that is very clearly proven in this post to be not correct.  

SECOND:  When I stated US/GB/DUTCH was up there I said when they attacked Texas/LA and took them from the French on PvP2 that was the same excuse they used, "we talked to some one."  Again you need to read every thing and not pick out what you want to see.  Also why would French tell you they where planing to a defense for one of there ports when it's attacked?   We where very hush hush about the Keys port battle cause we wanted NPG and any one else who rolled in on that one to be caught with their pants down.  With them bring so many mortar brigs it seems that worked out very well for us, next time it won't cause you will expect us to be there instead.   Hell we weren't even planing to defend it until the Conquest patch dropped and we changed out minds.  Might be the same reason the French decided to defend that NO too, being a 3 conquest point a day, but hay I don't know, that is there business not mine.

They might of had some SOL's but I still saw a very out number port battle.  Meaning they prob don't have the numbers or folks just don't want to go across the map, but didn't want to seem weak and just roll over and let you take an important region.  Maybe if ya'll where working together as a team instead of grabbing every port you can you might have a few SOL's too.  Hell ya'll prob do all ready but just aren't bringing them out for the show.

If you notice we haven't attacked any of the empty port battles in the gulf.  One it's to far away and two we aren't working with a certain person that has his own agenda that abused certain things and did something shady.  Now try to take something closer and we prob will go a hunting.  That and we are trying to set up our own comfort zone....of course with poor spain empty ports.   

Hell has any one told them where we will draw the lines and leave ports for Spain if they even ever get a few players?   Kinda feel bad about taking all there ports, but if we don't take some of them than one of the other nations will for sure.

 

PS I'm trying to get Devs to get a count of nation population so ya'll can see exactly who is actively big and small.  I'll promise you this much any blind fool can tell you who the two largest nations is and just by there selves you can prob combine most of the other nations and they still won't have the same number of players.  So why wouldn't smaller nations look at each other for some help? 

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3 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

McMannis your original post is full of lies. French made it clear they will be defending. You still atacked, you declared war on small nation, you are not a victim, they are, you are a bully.

USA made a lot of promises during April meeting, broke most of them already. You are the largest population on server and pick on second smallest nation.

Fact is that GB has better players and your whole nation is scared of real War. You will do whatever it takes to avoid it. You will give GB no exuses to atack. You will blame French, Sweedes, Danes and of course Pirates. You will try to appease GB with anything they want. Why did you even have a Revolution? 

Sad part is this is a game of War. Given prior history The Care Bear Empire will rise again. I hope that GB will surprise me, but not holding my breath. USA already shown their true colors.

 

So Stalin who were you in the meeting we had that Solas attended?  We didn't have a Stalin in there. You would have needed to be in there to know what was said correct? You are just commenting for effect without any idea of what was talked about.

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World  of words vs reality. I comment on reality. You comment on imaginary world in your head. French said they will defend on global. They showed up with a fleet after 3 hr sail. Thats reality.  Everything  else is irelevant, Aparrently you were talking to wrong people.

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1 minute ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

Wold of words vs reality. I comment on reality. You comment on imaginary world in you head. French said they will defend on global. They showed up with a fleet after 3 hr sail. Thats reality.  Evrything  else is irelevant, Aparrently you were talking to wrong people.

No you said above they made it clear they were going to defend that.  So please let us know where that information came from.  I really think you are just trolling.

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1 hour ago, McMannis said:

Currently we are not going to attack home ports. For example  we are not going to attack Brit ports south of Cuba and they are not going to attack US ports north of Cuba. Cuba is currently fair game to attach each other.  Other then that we have agreed to nothing.

This is an agreement whether you want to pour sugar on it or not.

You attacked NO and kicked French out of the Gulf.  You choose to skip empty Spanish ports.  You're "not an alliance agreement" basically means you "might" fight the Brits around Cuba, maybe a little snuggley port swapping but I'm just going to guess it'll probably be the pirates taking up 95% of your PvP time.

I'm not trying to spin here.  I'm from the Purge.  We don't Alt farm and we don't mind a good fight against zergs.  We don't have any agreements with pirates or pirate alts.  I'm just pointing out what it appears to look like for a lot of the other PVP minded French who didn't show up to NO.

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1 minute ago, Dharus said:

This is an agreement whether you want to pour sugar on it or not.

You attacked NO and kicked French out of the Gulf.  You choose to skip empty Spanish ports.  You're "not an alliance agreement" basically means you "might" fight the Brits around Cuba, maybe a little snuggley port swapping but I'm just going to guess it'll probably be the pirates taking up 95% of your PvP time.

I'm not trying to spin here.  I'm from the Purge.  We don't Alt farm and we don't mind a good fight against zergs.  We don't have any agreements with pirates or pirate alts.  I'm just pointing out what it appears to look like for a lot of the other PVP minded French who didn't show up to NO.

We secured our backside by taking New Orleans.  Now we have a buffer of empty Spanish ports between us and the Brits.  If the brits took La Bahia we would attack them because we do not want them in our back yard either. The pirates are a good team and we need to be secure to fight them  US VS Pirates.  This has nothing to do with the Brits and we have no plans to bring them into our fight.    If you don't Alt Farm and you don't have an agreement with the pirates then what is the issue, everything is good then. 

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Lets cut the clutter.

I have talked to christendom and I have faith that the US and Brits will fight. It's natural that without a spanish population, the gulf gets gobbled up. We had a good fight and from what i heard in teamspeak at the time was everyone enjoyed the pvp, sure it's disappointing to lose a port but no one complained.

Whatever has been said the french clans as a whole currently have no wishes for any alliances, as the majority of the french clans are open world pvp minded folks who need players to sink ;).

Actually one french clan may have talks for a trade agreement with the MARS clan soon too.

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2 minutes ago, Dharus said:

This is an agreement whether you want to pour sugar on it or not.

You attacked NO and kicked French out of the Gulf.  You choose to skip empty Spanish ports.  You're "not an alliance agreement" basically means you "might" fight the Brits around Cuba, maybe a little snuggley port swapping but I'm just going to guess it'll probably be the pirates taking up 95% of your PvP time.

I'm not trying to spin here.  I'm from the Purge.  We don't Alt farm and we don't mind a good fight against zergs.  We don't have any agreements with pirates or pirate alts.  I'm just pointing out what it appears to look like for a lot of the other PVP minded French who didn't show up to NO.

Lets not forget they attacked Pirates just days before too.  I'm pretty sure we where never contacted about that and that is why we didn't let them know if we where going to defend it or not. It's not like they couldn't just skip that zone and moved on with the empty ports.  They even skipped one and went right towards NO.   So far they are showing us they want to take the map and pick on only little nations.  To say they can't fight the British is BS, the could of moved straight down and meet them instead of waiting until they wrap around the Gulf of Mexico to meet in the middle.  Than to threaten to make a super alliance if any other nation helps each other out cause they are being threaten by the largest nation and maybe two of them.  

I actually have no problem with British and Dutch alliance.  It makes since, what doesn't is the US and British making one straight out of the bat.  I bet you in a month time we might see one or two port battles between them and I bet they will be arranged to activate there conquest points and it will be ok, cause they did it and no one else is allow to do such.

 

And again they speak of fair fights?

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Teutonic I hope you are right, for the health of the server sake. I am trying to be on Global, but have to admit that EU provides a lot more content. A real War here would be adraw to a lot of EU players.

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So we are evil and want to own the map because we attacked Isla?  What did you think would happen with that port?   I mean we are trying to do RVR just like everyone else.  It is like you are farming up our cost from there but we should just be like we have to many people so we can't stop it.  As it stands when we get there we will fight the British unless 2 nations start working together.

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7 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

Teutonic I hope you are right, for the health of the server sake. I am trying to be on Global, but have to admit that EU provides a lot more content. A real War here would be adraw to a lot of EU players.

I don't think we want the EU players.  We are here because of how Toxic they were.  They should just stay on the server they cried for.

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You like small server population thats fine. I would prefer 2-300 more. Different strokes. TOXIC players are fun to sink. Whether they are SORRY or not.

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12 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

You like small server population thats fine. I would prefer 2-300 more. Different strokes. TOXIC players are fun to sink. Whether they are SORRY or not.

I don't like playing on a small server at all so that should tell you just how much I dislike them.

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4 hours ago, Dharus said:

As a Frenchman, i see the two largest factions dividing half the map and swimming in conquest points.  Then another faction in another non aggression pact with the British.  That's three factions owning over half the map not attacking each other.  You guys worried that some pirates and french might help each other?  Funny.

 

You might not call it an alliance but saying Cuba is the dividing line IS an agreement in cooperation.

Its exactly what happened last time so why wouldn't it happen again. Thank God the pirates finally broke up the love fest but it still is inevitable that it will just happen again and again.

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5 hours ago, Dharus said:

As a Frenchman, i see the two largest factions dividing half the map and swimming in conquest points.  Then another faction in another non aggression pact with the British.  That's three factions owning over half the map not attacking each other.  You guys worried that some pirates and french might help each other?  Funny.

 

You might not call it an alliance but saying Cuba is the dividing line IS an agreement in cooperation.

The US and GB are bad if we do not attack each other right now.  (We don't even have a common front to one another)

The US and GB are bad if we talk about when we will attack each other.  

 

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35 minutes ago, Chijohnaok said:

The US and GB are bad if we do not attack each other right now.  (We don't even have a common front to one another)

The US and GB are bad if we talk about when we will attack each other.  

 

The French don't share a common front either with the US but it didn't stop you guys marching over to bop NO.  I don't blame ya.  You dont want French around the conquest generation area and who might spoil your "front" in Cuba.  Same reason we bopped Brits out of the windward islands.  You can't win because talk is pretty cheap really.

I'd be surprised though if you really go at each other though.  I mean TRUELY attack each other.  I suspect it wont happen because there is already an agreed battlefield and who's going to want to grind up contention over agreed upon areas of control?  In all my years of gaming I've rarely seen two higher populations attack each other.  Usually, it is pick on the easier targets.  NA has been no different.  I guess time will tell.

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Lots of drama over nothing.  Everyone from the Brits to Sweden is trying to suck up all the free ports they can get. Alliances or non-aggression pacts or whatever are mostly worthless at this time. All you guys are doing is talking yourself into the same stale game PVP2 was playing last year. When the free ports are sucked up we'll see whose really up for RvR and who isn't. Until then my choice is to ally with no one. How will we even know whom the serious players are going to be if we divided up teams now? Taking empty ports doesn't = an RvR team no matter how big they're population is or isn't.  By PVP aggression Sweden could turn out to be a better ally than Britain.  No one knows yet.

@McMannis - one French player/alt in a TS chat with a pirate clan doesn't really = ALL of France is agreeing to something. Make sense?

 

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On 6/7/2017 at 4:24 PM, Sir Texas Sir said:

But I'm leaving this thread alone it's going to turn into the drama crap that it did on PvP2.  Notice the same two guys have jump in so fast to start speaking for others.

 By two guys he means himself and his ego. Also, still waiting on that first sentence to be true. Tex you may also notice which nation has the most non aggression pacts. Not only that, but I'll let you in on something, the US denied us Dutch's alliance offer. As Mcmannis will vouch for. And then when we asked for a simple trade or non aggression pact they said no except for some outrageous exceptions. Like no war ships whatsoever. Honestly, just keep on guessing Tex, it's funny to watch you worm and try to be deceitful in the spirit of secrets. No one blames you, but the people that believed you before on the forums I think are starting to realize how you are in terms of role play. You can't fool me, and I look forward to exchanging some cannonballs when I get back. Not in hate, but enjoyment in the game. Godspeed Texas, I think our paths will cross sooner than we both realize.

Much love ❤️

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I was hoping the wipe giving every player a fresh start would put an end to all the pointless complaining and bickering between nations. Old alliances are staying as well as old grudges that have been fueling player's hatred towards each other for months. It's idiotic. Can we please just play the game like it was meant to be played?

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At some point the uncontested PB's will end, with that end there will be three choices as to what happens between GB and the US:

We can ally, which in my personal view would not be in the games best interests, but if so ordered I will carry out my Nations orders.

We could enter a state of armed neutrality and do our own thing until our respective policies clash and war between the US and GB becomes inevitable.

Or the US and GB can go to war straight off the bat and stop pussyfooting about.

With regard to alliances between the smaller Nations, I do not believe that either we the British nor the Americans have a right to dictate who the small Nations ally with just because we are bigger and own a large proportion of the map. To attempt such dictates would be counter productive and force the smaller Nations to do so even if they did not wish it.  The small Nations have an inalienable right to form alliances which they believe best serve their nations interests, if they get it wrong they'll go under, if not they will prevail, it is that simple.

Equally the same applies to the US and GB, to the best of my limited knowledge we have yet make that choice, we have not yet found ourselves in the same area at the same time, if our objectives conflict then we will fight, if not then a state of armed neutrality would exist to be settled either by war or diplomacy, I cannot in good conscience or good faith speak for my nation as to which it will be. 

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