PVE Server and PVE zones - Preliminary announcement.

[Anne Wildcat]

i understand the need to optimize servers but feel bad for the pve only players as they can no longer explore the entire map.. Would there be a way to have a questionairre in game that asks 'are you PVE only' on the PVE server (some pvpers have used that server) and for those that respond yes, make it so they can use the PVP servers but have a perminent flag put on them so they cannot attack or be attacked by another player?

Edited March 17, 2017 by Anne Wildcat

[Sir Texas Sir]

11 minutes ago, Anne Wildcat said:

i understand the need to optimize servers but feel bad for the pve only players as they can no longer explore the entire map.. Would there be a way to have a questionairre in game that asks 'are you PVE only' on the PVE server (some pvpers have used that server) and for those that respond yes, make it so they can use the PVP servers but have a perminent flag put on them so they cannot attack or be attacked by another player?

Remember a PvE server was never promised while in EA.  They can all ways open a server just for those players later when the game goes live.   Though right now with a lower player base they should have every one in one server testing the mechanics of the game.  And that focus isn't on PvE side of the game for the most part.  At least this way they can venture out if they feel like it and get risky or they can stay in there safe zones.   

The flag thing has been brought up and can be abused way to much.

But aren't we pirates?  I'm looking for hunting at the edge of these zones.....going to be some fat traders lol

Edited March 17, 2017 by Sir Texas Sir

[Rebel Witch]

this is great news and sounds very promising. i hope the newbie zones are going away then and players can just start out in pve zone. those newbie areas are prime pvp realistate

[Justme]

From my understanding there is going to be a ship/assest/port wipe so why all the concern with moving stuff?

As far as PVE server being removed, no offense to the devs but there at least currently not enough PVE only content to keep a PVE server viable. If you doubt this, just look at that servers numbers.

[Sailorpro1]

this is  not what  i wanted to  be better  for the whole game and for the  community keep the PvE server up theres  a lot  of  good  potential in it and its all being thrown away none of us  in the PvE server want to  be  confined to only the  gulf of mexico  because  it s super empty and  trading  and  making gold in there  is very  limited while other  PvP people can just sail in there no problem... its like your punishing people who choose to be PvE by putting them in a prison while  PvP players are free to  do what  ever... and with this  new 1 durability ship thing its not even worth  it for  us PvE players  to switch to PvP because of ganking. to solve this problem id suggest  keeping the  PvE server up because  we have  active players leaving already or add  a check box  ONLY can be switched on in ports to  symbolize PvE and we cant be  attacked by  anyone and still be able to sail freely around the  whole map

[Bart Smith]

Why you not choose PotBS style (PvE with voluntary PvP and PvP zones around flipped ports/regions i terms of Naval Action map size) since begining? Now doing those annoucements you make both PvE and core PvP players moaning and there is a risk of another population drop...Just want share my dear american friend opininon here: "They got very good artists, coders and graphics makers but NOT game designers..."

Edited March 17, 2017 by Bart Smith

[Ghroznak]

2 hours ago, Riflesbane said:

Actually those of us who have played EVE since the start have ripped off new players ever since

Speak for yourself.

Seal clubbing new players is an "activity" looked down upon by anyone doing some actual PvP in that game.

There are some who brag about how they ripped off newbies or podded them and the only thing they ever achieved was losing all respect and being put last for any ongoing event with the corporation or alliance.

 

[Anne Wildcat]

6 minutes ago, Bart Smith said:

Why you not choose PotBS style (PvE with voluntary PvP and PvP zones around flipped ports/regions i terms of Naval Action map size) since begining? Now doing those annoucements you make both PvE and core PvP players moaning and there is a risk of another population drop...Just want share my dear american friend opininon here: "They got very good artists, coders and graphics makers but NOT game designers..."

Not that it's a bad idea, but that will kill trader hunting as all player traders will not have their PvP flag on.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Anne Wildcat

[Dafader]

I buy the game yesterday.
I am a PvE Player ... because - i hate games were Top-LVL-Kids killing "New be Player".

A PvE Zone is malarkey ... because i dont wont stay in one Zone. The Game is not fast. U Need to spend much Time.
When i become a big load of cheap Goods ... and will bring it to the other side of the MAP ... after 3 hours of sailing, a bored Kid kills me, becaus he find it funny.
I am goining to do it two times. Than the game is failed. The Money is lost ... and i never Play it again.

I am afraid that, the Little Gamer, which are not so powerful in English are mercilessly killed by bored high-level Players.
And then there are those whose ego is so great, that they also specialize on it, since they are subject only to their equals.
This is all now doomed to failure. Do not start the people and then take them back half the time. Frustration factor 10.0
I have read that there are too few players, now I am there ... and I have no desire anymore: either I can as a low-level player around the breadcrumbs, the big ones lie, or I may have a certain Area not left. And this is my big "Open World experience"

Too bad ... because I got a wrong impression of the game.
Again an early Acces title placed on the wall.

[Corona Lisa]

5 minutes ago, Dafader said:

I buy the game yesterday.
I am a PvE Player ...

Too bad ... because I got a wrong impression of the game.
Again an early Acces title placed on the wall.

Game description from steam:

Naval Action is an exciting, realistic, and beautifully detailed naval combat sandbox immersing players into the experience of the most beautiful period of naval history - when sailing ships ruled the seas.

Maybe try a single player game rather than a MMO focussed game around combat?

[Sir Texas Sir]

1 hour ago, Rebel Witch said:

this is great news and sounds very promising. i hope the newbie zones are going away then and players can just start out in pve zone. those newbie areas are prime pvp realistate

Don't know what your talking about but we get tons of PvP in that area.  Love killing all the silly US players running around and some of the Brits.   And we aren't killing noobs cause most of them are higher ranks trying to do there econ on the easy runs.   We like the ROE there cause it keeps fights more close and fair instead of swarm of players and AI's ganking folks.   Though the big problem there for a while was one alliance owned all the regions there so ya'll couldn't fight each other.   It needed to have more than one nation in there controlling zones.  Which now we have as pirates took back there Pirate Refit from the evil US players. Well on PvP2 that is.

[Anne Wildcat]

20 minutes ago, JonSnowLetsGo said:

Game description from steam:

Naval Action is an exciting, realistic, and beautifully detailed naval combat sandbox immersing players into the experience of the most beautiful period of naval history - when sailing ships ruled the seas.

Maybe try a single player game rather than a MMO focussed game around combat?

MMO doesn't necessarily mean exclusively PVP.  Some players come to MMOs to do PVE with friends, although that number is few.  First MMO I played was POTCO, which had PVP seperated from PVE on all the servers. Only through glitches, which were fun, or special events could a PVP player attack a PVE player. 

Edited March 17, 2017 by Anne Wildcat

[Rebel Witch]

10 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

Don't know what your talking about but we get tons of PvP in that area.  Love killing all the silly US players running around and some of the Brits.   And we aren't killing noobs cause most of them are higher ranks trying to do there econ on the easy runs.   We like the ROE there cause it keeps fights more close and fair instead of swarm of players and AI's ganking folks.   Though the big problem there for a while was one alliance owned all the regions there so ya'll couldn't fight each other.   It needed to have more than one nation in there controlling zones.  Which now we have as pirates took back there Pirate Refit from the evil US players. Well on PvP2 that is.

poorly worded on my part. what i meant is those ports are best left in the conquest pool.

combining the newbie area and pve area gives more space for the pvp free zones which i hope one day the devs allow players to own the ports and create their own nations instead of the forced npc nations we have now.

[grantp60]

I wish to say how much I dislike this ides of getting rid of the PvE server. I, regretfully, bought this game to play PvE. I would like a refund, but that will never happen,

PvP just engenders a bunch of nasty, immature jackasses who go out of their way to harass others. Their only goal is to destroy the work and time other people have invested.

Your "simple and elegant" answer is utter horse shit. I, as a PvE player, will be limited to small areas of the game world? Then I should certainly get a refund, for I am unable to play most of the game,

In short, I will NOT recommend this game, with these changes. Indeed I will pan it.

 

[Anne Wildcat]

5 minutes ago, grantp60 said:

 

PvP just engenders a bunch of nasty, immature jackasses who go out of their way to harass others. Their only goal is to destroy the work and time other people have invested.

 

 

PVE players, please stop saying how horrid PvP players are as some of us 'PvP players' are actually trying to fight for you. Thanks

[VonBarb]

So no free towns ? So let's say I have a new ship I want to take on a test run, or I want to practice my carros with on some 'floating barrels' without risk of seeing half a dozen rat Trincs invade my instance. I'll have to sail all the way to said PvE zone for that, making the possibility of said Trincs invasion a definite certainty ?

I can understand wanting to close down the PvE servers to prevent people from ranking up there instead of on the PvP server (and I plead guilty as charged, I hit RA in PvE waters) but closing them down completely ? Yet again implementing restrictions for some type of players.

Besides, with the waning interest and the dwindling player base, wouldn't it make more sense to close down the PvP servers and use the PvE as a testbed for an offline version of the game to try and salvage what can be and get some returns on the costs ? I troll, of course, but then again...

[VonBarb]

2 minutes ago, Anne Wildcat said:

PVE players, please stop saying how horrid PvP players are as some of us 'PvP players' are actually trying to fight for you. Thanks

He does have a point though. Most enjoy the thrill of fighting humans, others simply want to watch other people's world burn. I don't know if the two can ever be reconciled.

[Anne Wildcat]

3 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

The flag thing has been brought up and can be abused way to much.

If it is a permanent PVE flag, I dont see how it could be exploited. 

[Justme]

24 minutes ago, grantp60 said:

I wish to say how much I dislike this ides of getting rid of the PvE server. I, regretfully, bought this game to play PvE. I would like a refund, but that will never happen,

PvP just engenders a bunch of nasty, immature jackasses who go out of their way to harass others. Their only goal is to destroy the work and time other people have invested.

Your "simple and elegant" answer is utter horse shit. I, as a PvE player, will be limited to small areas of the game world? Then I should certainly get a refund, for I am unable to play most of the game,

In short, I will NOT recommend this game, with these changes. Indeed I will pan it.

 

Typical PVE participation trophy player winner response. You want a sense of accomplishment without doing anything.

PVE is too limited in this game to justify its own server.  An overly simple trading system and ganking AI ships may appeal to a small percentage such as yourself, but few here seem to want a game you turn on then walk away to take a nap.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Justme

[Sir Texas Sir]

4 minutes ago, Anne Wildcat said:

If it is a permanent PVE flag, I dont see how it could be exploited. 

You give the PvE char all the goodies.  He transfers them around and can't be tagged by any one.  We use to do this on on another game with kinda the same system.  Though instead it was lowbie that couldn't be attacked cause of level difference..  Had certain chars transfer certain things in certain ships cause either they couldn't be tagged.  Got to a point we had to keep one lowbie char around just to hunt the guys we know was running the high priced goods.

[Baptiste Gallouédec]

I can't see a problem with it appart for nations without ports in the gulf, they will have to reroll in as Spanish/French/Brit? A neutral pve only nation could be too easily exploited with alt so i imagine it's the best solution to merge pve community into pvp server.

I think it's good to give PVer's a protected zone but also the possibility from time to time to get interactions with the rest of the pvp server just by sailing out and discovering the thrill of crossing ennemy ship. Maybe they will discover that it's not that bad and not so hardcore, maybe they will even enjoy it and join the party !

 

No freeport don't mean no outpost so you can still tp from/to there, you just can't deliver safely ressources from pve zone to pvp zone, you will have to move them by yourself.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Baptiste Gallouédec

[Bragan Benigaris]

What about bringing together PVE and PVP in a kind of protected transition at least for the long haul from the PVE zones in the west to the hot zones in the east? Outside the PVE waters, as long as a trader is escorted by player warships, it's invulnerable. If tagged, it will be brought to the instance together with the escort ships, but can't be attacked as long one of his guards is still living. Much time to escape and a good chance to create OW PVP for escort and raider parties. There could be created a distinct market place for this safe conduct services.

Only an unreflected idea...

[jnovotny6]

45 minutes ago, grantp60 said:

I wish to say how much I dislike this ides of getting rid of the PvE server. I, regretfully, bought this game to play PvE. I would like a refund, but that will never happen,

PvP just engenders a bunch of nasty, immature jackasses who go out of their way to harass others. Their only goal is to destroy the work and time other people have invested.

Your "simple and elegant" answer is utter horse shit. I, as a PvE player, will be limited to small areas of the game world? Then I should certainly get a refund, for I am unable to play most of the game,

In short, I will NOT recommend this game, with these changes. Indeed I will pan it.

 

Hopefully we can get an Endy and have the ability to outsail anyone and go anywhere we want. Perhaps trader speed could be increased some also. 

 

 

[ER0S]

14 hours ago, admin said:

Hello Captains. 

This is a preliminary announcement - official statement will be provided later both on steam and here.

• PVE server will be closed down. All assets will be transferred to the redeemables on both PVP Global and PVP EU (new server names). Transferring players will be able to choose themselves and stay on the server of their liking. We understand that it is painful but with forthcoming wipe you are not losing anything.

Captains affected by this might ask: How can you PVE ignoring player vs player on the pvp server?

The answer is simple and elegant.

• PVE Zones will be added to the main servers.
• We deliberated very long about this as initially we wanted to have full loot pvp everywhere with no protection. But looking back it was not optimal. Some might say it was awesome, but in reality most hardcore games we know have pve zones, safe zones, high security space or some other form of buffer area. Such zone allows pve players to see the more alive world around them and try pvp from time to time maybe converting to pvp players. 
  • Players who will want to engage in PVE activities without any interaction with the outside world will have to choose one of 3 nations. Spain (Sisal spawn), France (French Louisiana spawn), Britain (around Mosquito coast). These three nations will have 2 spawns - main pvp and secondary pve.
  • This will basically turn Gulf of mexico into large PvE zone.
  • All free-towns inside the PVE zone will be removed to avoid safe transport of resources from inside the zone. 
  • Some resource locations will be re-balanced.
  • The only way to fight in the PVE zones will be to attack smugglers - which will from the patch create outlaw battle (FFA) - the mechanic that you can test on the testbed.

 

To the Devs; Please read the entire post before you ban me!

This is the worst idea yet! You are going to lose so many players over this! (me included) I've played all three servers, but ended coming back to PvE because I was so tired of the BS!  Certain clans seem to think "THEY" rule the server, and you "HAVE" to do as they tell you or they will focus on driving you from the server.... how you may ask? ALTS! They come right out and tell you that they will use their alts to sink you whenever they see you until you quit. There are players who brag about having multiple alt accounts! Which leads us to the next problem. We can't attack anything because we get a private message saying "don't attack that ship, it's my alt!" If you reply that all other nations are fair game, they go back to the threats. Then there's the packs of "children" who think a fair fight is at least six to one, or are in a ship that is vastly bigger than yours. They will run away unless they can catch you alone, or out numbered! I work odd hours, and as a result, it's hard to find players in my nation that are online at the same time. So if I'm in a clan or not, i mostly sail alone. What am i supposed to do? Sail with people that speak a different language just so there are more friendly ships around? From past changes made to the game, i wouldn't be surprised to see this "PvE" area to be intentionally limited, with the goal being to force players into PvP areas in order to get certain materials. Is is fair? I don't want to limit the amount of time i have available to play to be based on when there are enough clan mates online so i won't have my Trader Snow attacked by seven players in Surprises! WITH THEIR FLEET SHIPS!!!

It's your game, and you will do what you want (always have). And i don't want this to sound insulting, or threatening, but here are a few things i think you should consider. 1st, I thought the goal of making a game was to make money, but if you keep driving away players because you don't listen to them, I don't see you doing much of that. 2nd, word of mouth. I have played this game for over 2000 hours, and have recommended it to many people, but if you keep going in the direction you seem to be going, i will leave the game. Want to guess what i will be telling people after that? again, it's not a threat, but simple fact. Do you offer good comments for products you don't like to people you know? I have already heard people who have left the game give it bad reviews on facebook, teamspeak, and skype, so it's already happening! Yet they also say that they would come back if the "Devs" would just listen to the players. 3rd, everyone has different tastes, some want easier (PvE), some want it "hard core" (PvP with out AI fleets) where the only option is to go out and take what you want/need. Why can't we have it both ways? I can even deal with PvP based rules in PvE if i have to, so there wouldn't have to be different software for the different servers.

So, ban me if you want, but I am only saying things MANY other players (your customers) are saying, but don't want to chance saying here. I think you have a beautiful game going here, with SO much potential! PLEASE! Don't kill it with this lobotomy! Make some accounts (if you don't already have them), come on into the game (PvP and PvE), and talk with us, maybe even invite a few here and there into a voice chat. Listen to our thoughts/ideas/concerns, I know not all will be possible, but it would make us (your testers) feel like we are a part of the team instead of midievil peasants groveling at the feet of the kings!

Thank you for your time, and for ALL the hours of fun I have had with your creation thus far.

[z4ys]

22 minutes ago, Anne Wildcat said:

Not that it's a bad idea, but that will kill trader hunting as all player traders will not have their PvP flag on.

Don't you know trade hunting will be dead with these changes. How many trader you see now with unlimited slots and how many you will see with limited slots? One trader a week? That isn't worth playing the game