Wilson09 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Having played the game for some time and witnessed some lack of incentives for players to engage in open world PvP (apart from annyoing others or assisting PortBattles), I had some "fancy" idea, either to find out how the community might react to the suggestion or to enhance the PvP-gameplay. Also, I catched up on the idea that every nation should have a certain "feel", making it special and distinguishable to every other nation. Starting from this page and having looked at the ingame-shipyard (s. attachement) http://www.kotiposti.net/felipe/England/england.html, I thought about the topic "ships per nation" (what´s in the game actually, historically). What happened, if every nation could only CRAFT their respective ships only? Let´s go through the following list: All: Basic Cutter, Brig, NavyBrig France: Rennomee, Belle Poule, USA: Lynx, Niagara, Constitution Sweden: Yacht Denmark (Russia): Mercury, (Cherubim) Frigate, St. Paul, (Ingermanland) Spain: Santisima Trinidad Pirates: none (Pirate Frigate) Dutch: (Amsterdam) Great Britain: Cutter, Pickle, Snow, Cerberus, Trincomalee, Bellona, Victory Assuming for now, Pirates will not be allowed to craft (maybe Pirate Frigate and for ALL ships) but refit ships, crafting national ships (and for ALL ships) only would certainly limit SWEDEN / DUTCH / SPAIN. Therefore, I´d bring in 1-2 ships for Spain/Dutch, skip Sweden (or Dutch) for now and rename Denmark to Russia (why not? or call it Baltic alliance or whatsoever). Try to balance things out, finding a compromise and start from here. Skip Sweden and add further nations / spots in the game as buyable DLC (Sweden + ships, or Venice + ships) based on consumer wishes and polls. If you did that, if you restricted every nation just to a couple of ships (2-3 for ALL and 2-3 extra national ships) what might happen? Certainly some nations would be favoured (they have better ships), but as numbers count right now ingame this is not a big factor. Assuming, I am a French player, I´d certainly fancy going for PvP to catch the famous Victory or another ship. I´d also made me feel pretty special if I managed to capture an American Constituion. Why should I have an incentive as a Spanish player to set sails for Dutch waters or even French waters? Because, there is something out there for me, I have never seen before, the well-known Rennomee, supposedly tha fastest ship in the game. Also, Pirate Raids made a factor now, as Clans have a target now heading for Dutch/French/US waters. It just makes a difference now, if I torment the British or really set sails to blockade Willemstad and bring home 10 special Dutch ships (sounds a bit like Viking raids...). Also, loosing a special national ship to the enemy would make me really feel bad about... Yes, war for ressources (as it seems to head that direction), but also war for ships is thinkable... What do you think? Any discussions welcome.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLiin Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I think it will be like this later when they add more ships, right now it would make it way too OP for some nations. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) As I said, some minor adjustments needed....I doubt, it is planned by the Devs and I am not sure, if the community liked the restriction and/or the incentive being associated with.... Edited March 18, 2016 by Wilson09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Even though the Amsterdam is named after a Dutch ship, it isn't Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Really? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_%28VOC_ship%29 Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Because the original plans could not be found, they are using plans from a Swedish shipbuilder (Chapman), and even though it is named after the ship you sourced, it isn't a Dutch ship. Edited March 18, 2016 by Zeekoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) And yes, I am well aware of the ongoing ship-polls.... http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/535-player-selected-ship-winter-2014/ http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2994-player-selected-ships-2015-final-poll/page-20 now: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/8340-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016-final-poll/ A shame, the Swedish WASA did not make it...but maybe this time...? Just think of the incentive to catch one of those, if you go out as a Pirate limited to nothing but Brig/Pirate Frigate...ofc, the problem would be to balance it. You either can think of capturing AI-fleets (would distinguish it greatly from plain XP fleeting..) with dura 1 and giving some sort of bonus to board and capture "real" player-sailed ships... Why else should a Pirate clan meet on a Saturday to go on a big mission to get those? Edited March 18, 2016 by Wilson09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalyd Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'd also like each nation to only be able to craft their own vessels. It would be more realistic and actually make each faction have its own identity. If you wanted a ship from another faction, well, you'd have to board one and capture it, like they did in the past. But yeah. It"s still too early for that with the current number of ships we have. We would need to have at least 1 ship for each rate per faction or close to that. So nice idea, but as for now, technical issues get in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Henry de Montfort Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 The only problem is that in this time period most nations copied each others ship designs. This could be incorporate by capping foreign ships and breaking up for bp drops. It would have to wait for ship lines to expand over up coming year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Oh, that´s a nice idea. Blueprints...imagine the "breaking news", someone broke up a captured Santissima (instead of sailing it) and he finally gets a Blueprint (with a chance of 1:100).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas aagaard Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Until we get the pacific (or Europe) added there would be no historical grounds for adding Russia. Denmark and Sweden had larger navies and had colonies in the Caribbean. And this would make zero sense until the time when every nation have ships of every rate... and they need a number of 5th and 6th rates... Maybe in a few years... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuroNyra Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Need so much more ship before it can be done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Henry de Montfort Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Oh, that´s a nice idea. Blueprints...imagine the "breaking news", someone broke up a captured Santissima (instead of sailing it) and he finally gets a Blueprint (with a chance of 1:100).... Well, I'm a level 50 crafter. I have every bp but a pavel. I gained the Trinc, Constitution and 3rd rate bp's by doing just this. Currently if you are a high enough crafter you have a very good chance of getting a bp drop. So I'm not talking out my arse per say, I'm talking by experience and if it is a 5x dura, 3x dura or a 1 dura for each class and is full health this also buffs your chances....so yes it actually is a fact and i did this before THEY BUFFED the bp drop.....so form your own opinion. I have mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriks Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 A shame, the Swedish WASA did not make it...but maybe this time...? It could founder and sink whenever it left port. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomppeli Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I like the idea, but there should be multiple ships to craft each rate. So there would at at least as many ships to craft as now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Is this all ? No more votes ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrewashedYeti Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 No point, KuroNyra nailed it... Too early mate. Need so much more ship before it can be done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Wildcat Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 On the topic of crafting, nats feel pirates shouldn't craft to suit the realism of the time. What everyone needs to remember, this is a game. You are not going to get pirates who want to be 100% pirate. Some pirates who care less about conquest, national alliances, and want to kill anyone may also want to craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Great Britain: Cutter, Pickle, Snow, Cerberus, Trincomalee, Bellona, Victory Two of these ships were drawn from French lines. That should should show why this would be a silly idea even if it wouldn't bankrupt GameLabs by requiring seven times as much content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 The basic idea is limiting the shipyard restricting players to national/historical ships, not necessarily douple or triple the number of available ships. But like games in Total War Arena, most players don´t care about history-links, as long it is "fun" (relating to the game where it is possible to play Arminius alongside Leonidas and Cesar in battle). Arcade gaming. Nothing wrong about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Arcade gaming. Nothing wrong about it... There is, however, something very much wrong with the historicity of your suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson09 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) >>What happened, if every nation could only CRAFT their respective ships only? What´s wrong about that? Instead of "bashing" me, you could come up with precise information. So, the Brits used ships from the French line? I am by no means an expert at this topic, nor do i pretend to be one. I am just saying, limit the ships to the ones, originally being used by the factions in this certain period. Also, I´d be a big supporter of tightening the time period being played. Edited March 24, 2016 by Wilson09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Tabernac Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 It's a nice idea on the face of it, but as Maturin said the reality is that you'd need specific national counterparts for most of these ships which creates a pile of new - and currently unnecessary - work for the developers. Each of the current ships more-or-less fill a particular role (early trainer, trader, ship of the line, interceptor, whatever) and removing a nations ability, even just early on, to fill one of those roles because they can't craft the ship that fills it purely for cosmetic reasons would be a poor choice, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriks Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Also, I´d be a big supporter of tightening the time period being played. +1 on this. To expand a bit it would be interesting to explore different servers being different time periods rather than just arbitrary divisions. In the 1700-1720 server there is no US faction. Spain is a major player. Pirates are a HUGE issue. Add some 17th century ships. There are no Trincs, or Connies, etc... In the 1800-1820 server you have the super frigates. Spain, the Dutch, and pirates are marginal. There's a reason there's a nerf the Trinco thread. It's pretty much the most modern ship in the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireBush Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I voted no, but I wouldn't mind seeing something like a tech unlock for non-native building at a nations ship yards based on some type of weekly/monthly community goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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