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"Vier schnelle Fregatten schneiden der CHERUBIM den Weg zum Heimathafen ab. Bei vorteilhaftem Wind haben sie sie bald eingeholt, schießen ihre Segel in Fetzen, schießen dann die Mannschaft runter, und am Ende boardet ein speziell ausgerüstetes Schiff den Alleinfahrer." Soweit, so gut - alles okay - so war das eben manchmal - Pech gehabt. Aber was dann folgt, ist einfach nur übelster Mist aus einem drittklassigen Science-Fiction- B--Movie, der mich in einem sonst so schönen Spiel wie NAVAL ACTION schwer enttäuscht. Denn die Kommandeure der vier schnellen Fregatten setzen nun spezielle Schutzbrillen auf, schnallen sich auf die Warp-Sitze, und befehlen ihren Mannschaften: "Okay, das war's! Zieht die XXL-Tarnkappe über das ganze Schiff, und dann werft die YAMAHA Super-2000 Aussenborder an - und dann beamst Du uns hier schnellstens raus, Scotty!" Zuhause trinken sie dann was, freuen sich über den gelungenen Ganking-Abend und loben sich gegenseitig für ihre Heldentaten. Mann, jetzt hab ich mir auf die Schuhe gekotzt - sorry. Und die Moral meiner Geschicht: wer ganken will, sollte auch die Konsequenzen tragen. Mir ist es scheißegal, ob einer ins Bett muß, der zweite auf's Klo, der dritte telefonieren und der vierte noch Mutti zufriedenstellen - wer im Heimatgewässer einer feindlichen NATION rumfährt und gankt, der muß mit den Konsequenzen fertig werden. Jetzt aber kann das jede Gurkentruppe so ziemlich ungestraft tun. Denkt da eigentlich mal einer an die neuen Spieler, die dem zum Opfer fallen und gleich total entmutigt werden und einen Riesen-Verlust haben, oder die Trader, die die NATION versorgen und statt dessen Tausende verlieren, und dazu noch ihre INDIAMAN ? Hätte eine der historischen Nationen das ungesühnt geschehen lassen? So wie es jetzt ist kann es nicht bleiben - oder ich muß mir hier am PC Kotztüten aufhängen. Ich entschuldige mich bei allen, denen mein Ton auf den Magen geschlagen ist - nicht aber für den Inhalt.

Suggestion: PVP players of low XP can only be engageable by other players of a comparable XP or lower until they reach a certain level of XP. This may help keep ganking and griefing of new players in PVP to a minimum.

this is just a humble list I have gathered over some months of mostly the active clans and my experience of them along with what has been witnessed. also should any questions of BAITY be raised here is where you can talk freely. trusted - will generally do something if they say they will, i.e. not betray you should they say they will help gankers - this is NOT a list of clans who have ganked, but rather of those who CHOOSE to gank when there is another choice. non-gankers - those who have chosen on several occasions to not gank AND who sail around in fleets of fair size, i.e not disproportionate (10 1sts to go fight 3 etc) kiters - those who will not actually choose to fight a battle, but rather who choose to sail upwind waiting hours for the newbs to make a mistake, OR who run away for the majority of a battle, never committing to fight. will be edited with good enough evidence sent to - https://discord.gg/DkSd5fc TRUSTED LIBRA, ALOHA, PGP, HANSA, BCC, CSA, FLEKI, HYDRA, LSC, CRED, SNOW, TAYLER, RUS, CABRAL, DRAKE, HAVOK GANKERS BF, TALER, SH, BASTD, SLRN, WO, VLTRA, CBC, DNP, RUS, CABRAL, FELIX, WTF, BAIT, ARM, 7UP, SOL, SNOW NON-GANKERS NPG, BETEP, ALOHA, VINO, PDP, BCC, ALU, VCO, TSA, CSA, DRAKE, REDS, NN, RUBLI, DREAD, LIONS, VWIC, FLEKI, RED, NPG, SNOW KITERS VLTRA, SH, WTF, ARM, 7UP, KINGS, HRE, RUS, HAVOK, BETEP, BASTD, LIONS, HRE P.S what happens in the defense of newbs in the capital zone is not included. I doubt anyone cares what I think anyway. All is based on facts and evidence, terms and conditions apply, not sold separately, always read the label

Hey Folks! Dear developers, can't you rethink the whole PvP systhem? ATM it is a chase or try to run, gank or be ganked simulator. Many things take way to much time, so the most people are running even it is a fair fight. If you lose a ship, all of your officers lives, your upgrades, or your cargo, it takes WAY to much time to rebuilt. For example, to craft a renomee, with, lets say pirate refit, copper plating and speedtrim, it takes at least 2-5 days, if you craft all your needed materials by yourself, and ship them from a city like Gustavia, or Wilhelmstadt, or other capitals. What abought a Constitution? 7days? Come on! I understand that players lurk each other in the real world, mostly at least just massive insult each other, if they sink there ship. The penalties for loosing ar way to high! So what hapens? Everybody is running from a fight if you can, me too. One dura ships btw. are useless, caus you will lose all your Upgrades, which are mostly not craftable, but needed.... So why not make dura a thing that you can restore with gold and time? So when you have your first rate sunk, your dura droppes to zero, but you still keep your ship and upgrades and you need to pay 500.000 and wait 2 days till your dura is restored? Maybe the ships with restored dura may become slightly woser (lower hp, speed and armor) than new ones, but still usable. Even captured ships gain a second chance and at least some use then. The trader not looses 100 % of there goods, maybe only 30%, and the corsair will get a propper reward from the admirality, or the 30 % of the goods. Why not? Will make it at leas less serious but more fun and less punishing. The officer with 10 lives is also a miscreation, so people will mostly surrender. Cause level up a new officer will consume up to 6-8 houres. More time to grind, then using time to play trough a normal AA+ game. Make the game less grind and less useless sailing around (when you attract more players, the ocean will get more populated). PvP ist the core of this game, so reduce the penalties of loosing a fight, and we all get more fights and more fun. Even if you loose one. Give normal gamers with 5-8 hours gametime in a week, a chance to have some fun (no not just with cutters), dont frustrate them with grind when they lose a ship ind PvP and give them the chance to participate in bigger Events, then we will have full servers all the time. Dont listen to the gamers who say, that achiving something must be hard work. It should be a challange, but not "hard" work. hold fast Karotte

Hello! I’ve been playing Naval Action for quite a while now, and I feel the game has taken a wrong direction. First of all the name should be changed to Gangs of Naval Action (ironicJ). I like the introduction of newbie region and a lot of the new details with the new patch, having said this there is some stuff devs should take into consideration. My biggest disappointment is the perpetual ganking taking place all over the map. This is unacceptable! So I decide to make some suggestions: Player taggs should only be 1vs1 and no join timer or group join. Create more Nations, i acctually know this is coming but just in case. Pirates should NOT be a nation. Instead every nation should have their own pirates. Just like the check box for the smuggler make one for going pirate. Introduce War Zones instead of this ganking action in and around capital regions. The outcome of this wars should be the amount of traders NPCs coming in to a region. Introduce Pirate waters were the ganking is allowed and the players not enjoying being ganked can keep away. Well this was my major concerns with this game. Otherwise the game is glorious and I love it! Keep up the good work! P.S. remember devs: DO NOT BELIVE THAT PLAYERS WILL BEHAVE RESPONSABLY! Thanks for listening

Let's talk about "ganking". What is a gank? For most players it is any fight that they start with any perceived disadvantage. Let's talk about this game. This is a wide open world, very large. The odds of two fighting forces matching open sea and having a "fair" fight is remote, to say the least. So, intended or not, one side will usually be the "gankers" and the poor victims the "whiners on the forums". There is just no way around it in an open world pvp game. Or is there? Various mechanics have been tried that have all resulted in loss of playability, and in my experience, player loss (multiple games I have seen it). One of the giant attractions of this game for myself and others players I used to sail with was open world, unrestricted pvp. Then came the mechanics, BR mechanics that resulted in people missing fights or getting split, mechanics that favored the defender (open battles near port with social), forts, npc fleets around capitals, etc. Then personal fleets that intruded on the pvp, making it damn near impossible for a solo pirate to get much done. Either way, what did we see? People leave the game. Also, the failure to address a simple thing like battle screen camping. I often log out at battle screen, either because I have to log (usually) or because I know a fleet is waiting outside for me. Don't remove that, just incentive coming back out into the open sea with some help getting out of the immediate area. Long invisibility, even longer cannot join battles? Something so a player can leave a battle with some confidence of escaping a revenge fleet. Look, you can sail around this damn game for literally hours and never see a single player sometimes. And when you do, of course you and your mates all jump them because hallelujah it's a player to sink or capture. If anything, the game mechanics should favor and encourage those that sail near enemy ports to hunt. Give them a break. Make this game what it once was, cutthroat pvp and disregard the losers whining about ganking. Remember, for every one player crying about ganking, there are at least two more players high-fiving over his pool of tears and shattered timbers. Give us heat maps to find where the enemy does missions, trades, hides, whatever. Put the "Action" back into "Naval ACTION".

We got a lot of topics on this with everyone going back and forth to either buff or de-buff the ganker/gankee. Some even change their minds as they go from gankee to ganker or vica versa. For those there is for example the thread: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/14485-hiding-in-battle-screens-solved I just want to toss out a suggestion and see how it flies without any side pollution. So lets do a simple yes or no to: People coming onto Open World either out of Port of Battle Screen must all have a 30 second no attack timer and a 120 second no join timer.The goals: Promote folks who come out. Anybody visible on OW can join the fray, nobody else. [edit 2016-06-25] added "open world entry" tag

The definitive Battle Screen Ganking Guide First of all we establish our main strategy here. It basically boils down to Guerre de Course. Although we won't limit ourselves to simple traders, but rather anything that is an economical target. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_strategy#Introduction_of_the_guerre_de_course We also ensure that we have the upper hand continously. Defeat in detail works both ways, so we must always keep the initiative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_in_detail Current mechanic of entering open world: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/14536-to-gank-or-be-ganked-that-is-the-question/ Fleet composition: A couple of fast interceptors, for example Rattlesnakes. Anything grey that can keep up. From a profit/loss perspective this makes losing the ship irrelevant. Or, bring a gold escorted by a fast grey with the same wind profile. The grey will be your getaway ship after you TP back the gold. To set up the initial battle screen there are a number of options:Tag a friendly smuggler. Doesn't matter what class of ship. Tag any form of enemy AI ship, so as to not give away our position. Not ideal, but coming out of a previous gank. To ensure visibility to the outside world keep a fast interceptor out of the battle instance. Victims lovingly refer to him as the bait ship.To deal with a revenge fleet, a scout is always send out first or called in from staging area. If the area is clear come out and prepare for the next gank, otherwise use the escape ship or log-off and boot up your alt. Dealing with potential future mechanics: Invisibility. Use this to direct the gank fleet invisibly onto the victim. Perfect. Choosing your own spawn-in (/invisibility) be used to pass any blockade. Log-off timer or open world kick timer. Log-off immediately, log back on when the command comes over TS. BS waiting will become Shard waiting. Pop where you are. Setup gank just at visibility of coast, sail to coast and gank when trader comes past. Once the tag on a victim starts, enter open world and gank away.Please let me know if I missed anything. [edit] Added pop where you are. [edit] how-to bypass blockades

Yesterday upon the stair(Port Morant - Carlisle) I met a man(French, Danes) who wasn't there(hiding in battle results/logging off) He wasn't there again today(randomly people from yesterday log in and pop out around the port) I wish, I wish he'd go away(or start playing an actual PvP game instead of using this exploit) The British nation would appreciate if the ganker fleets in the area of Carlisle would not use the battle result hiding exploits to end the night of PvP after a single attack. If you're short on time Jamaica is the wrong place for an attack and if you're afraid to lose your ship the same applies. Especially a fleet of 22 should not be afraid to actually go for a genuine fight which could've provided everyone with a lot of fun. Personally I see no fun/challenge in ganking but if you do it please be ready to face all repercussions that may come upon you instead of wasting everybody's time and fun after jumping a little clanless cerberus with 22 ships. As far as I and those I can vouch for are concerned we will not be backing away from a fight that we brought on our own and will now be attacking your homeports with fair fights. Please consider doing the same in the interest of a fun game for all. A little further warning: It has come to our attention that some smaller ganking fleets now actively search for an ai ship close to KPR to create such battle result screen situation. WIth the intention of this being the last action of the night they apparently log off so they can have an invisible fleet ready to attack in the early afternoon near our homeports. This goes beyond merely trying to save one's hide and is in my/our eyes an unacceptable misuse of the mechanic. We've started to collect evidence on this and should this behaviour not rapidly disappear I will launch a tribunal about this! To the devs: Please consider reworking the battle result screen asap as it currently proofs to be an exploited hassle for all fair playing folk around the isle and surely in other places as well. P.S.: I used the words 'the British nation' as a lot of people are seriously unhappy about this. Should you however take offense to me representing you here just substitue this for my own persona. Also this is a somewhat serious topic - have fun discussing it but serious forum pvp as some practice it is not desired here! Keep it civil everybody! For those who liked the poem: Antigonish - William Hughes Mearns Yesterday upon the stair I met a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today I wish, I wish he'd go away When I came home last night at three The man was waiting there for me But when I looked around the hall I couldn't see him there at all! Go away, go away, don't you come back anymore! Go away, go away, and please don't slam the door Last night I saw upon the stair A little man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today Oh, how I wish he'd go away

So today I was sailing my privateer around and got tagged/ganked by a group of 5: 2 connies, 1 trinc, 1 surprise, and 1 frigate I believe. I really don't mind bc I'm learning pvp & running but with that br they should not be able to tag such a small ship as the privateer. I'm curious as to how tagging actually works. Is there even a br percentage cap (i.e. In order to tag, the tag group br cannot be more than 120% greater) or such? If not, there should be to reduce ganking. If there is such a mechanic, it needs fixing.

This is a suggestion against ganking and to increase low risk/gain ratio in uneven PvP situations to create more incentive to fight instead of running away in different ad-hoc OS fight scenarios. If a battle rating system to enter instances, like the group strength in PotBS, might be added or not, is irrelevant for this concept. Here the battle ratings are being used to dynamicly adjust the XP and gold gain in various OS PvP fights. Dynamic PvP Reward System: After the battle is closed, the battle ratings for both sides are being used to calculate an extra PvP loot factor according to the BR ratio (Battle Rating) both for XP and gold. Lets say you are in a 3v1 battle and battle ratings are 200 for the attacker and 100 for the defender (one ship). The lonely ship might have a slight chance to sink enemy ship(s), but usualy this risk won't be taken by the majority of players. However, according to the extra loot factor introduced here, whatever damage he does, he could get double XP and gold for his efforts due to the fighting in an outnumbered and outgunned situation. On the otherside of the coin, each player of the ganking side would recieve half of the XP and gold compared to if they would sink the same ship in an even fight. To sum up, in a 200/100 ratio battle, this concept means double XP and gold for the defender and 0,5x less XP and for both attackers. PvP Loot Factor = BR of your team / BR of opposing team Final XP/Gold = Current Loot Gain / PvP Loot Factor Different scenarios can be seen from the table/graph. This could be enough incentive to demote the ganking, however, if the ganking still occurs, this would also give the ganked side a reason to fight back despite the fact being outnumbered and outgunned. An example for the realization of similar concept, the Microsoft Gaming Zone used to have similar rating system for many years, for instance in the legendary Age of Empires series matchmaking. The proposed loot balancing/stabilizing concept according to battle ratings would be a nice feature for the good of the game. Poll removed by mod team for being non-essential to the discussion.